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70k gross is more than what a senior developer would get anywhere in Germany or France. If you really get that much, you've got it better than all western Euro
by user5994461 9y ago
70k gross is more than what a senior developer would get anywhere in Germany or France.
If you really get that much, you've got it better than all western Europe, except London and Zurich.
- qaq 9y agoYep and Norway has higher pay too but taxes and cost of living kill it.
- kevin_thibedeau 9y agoParent is still in an inflated labor bubble. In most of the US outside of the major cities it can be a struggle for experienced engineers to break 80K. I had to walk away from a lot of hideously low priced opportunities when I lived in the mid-west.
- qaq 9y agoIn Ukraine it can not be inflated by definition as there is basically 0 vc money. The companies are profitable and are paying market rates.
- shrewduser 9y agoisn't a lot of the outsourcing connected to western markets and that very VC money? i think it's all connected you'll find.
- qaq 9y agoI'd say very little of that work is for startups it's more for large financial companies, large established software companies, telecoms, hollywood etc.
- menacingly 9y agoEven in my limited consulting experience, it's not uncommon at all for a sizable org to have a small team in Ukraine. A couple of times, even though that team does not have an officially important role, you would see stalls on major decisions until the remote team had a chance to weigh in.
- wyclif 9y agoWhy wouldn't you just work remote and solve that problem?
- cinquemb 9y agoThis is what I chose, but there are some tradeoffs: there was a biomedical engineering in Cincinnati, OH company who recruited me that I interviewed with that wanted to hire me (and I was very interested in the work seeing as it was stuff that I did but in another field), but they wanted me work onsite… After a couple of more years working remote, I may just go work for another lab again because its not too hard to find very interesting work, but the pay sucks (for non-degreed folks).
- friedButter 9y ago> In most of the US outside of the major cities it can be a struggle for experienced engineers to break 80K A senior dev can make 80k USD in India (before taxes) working for American, non IT services companies
- smnrchrds 9y agoTrue. For that much money you could hire instead in Canada and not deal with language or time zone barriers.
- qaq 9y agoIf they could they would. Plus there are costs beyond the actual pay such as cost of heath insurance, admin costs etc.
- eru 9y agoI've gotten offers for somewhat more for Amsterdam (with booking.com). I didn't take it, because I was getting way more in London at the time.
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- qaq 9y agoYep they recruit actively in Ukraine and pay a bit above but again taxes are way higher.
- walshemj 9y agoI looked at Amsterdam as they had/have some nice tax incentives for expats. And as I had the max no of years in the UK state pension I could built up a Dutch pension as well. Holland also has Mortgage interest relief so you could rent your UK property out and buy a property in Holland with some nice tax breaks
- eru 9y agoI'm in Singapore now. I'm not using any tax breaks---the taxes are generally low without need for exception. (There are some tax breaks you (or your clients!) can get for investing in IT, though.)
- strken 9y agoI had a recruiter after me with a €100k senior role in Berlin, I thought the market rate in Germany was nearing SV levels.
- qaq 9y agoI know that of the people that I know who moved to Germany everyone is making about the same as they were at home (which is obviously anecdotal evidence). I have no doubt there are some jobs that pay more at the same time I know people making that kind of money or more in Kiev but it's fairly rare.
- zerr 9y agoIt is actually a €120K position - the only company in Berlin paying that amount, with very alarming reviews on Glassdoor - Thinkcell. So the recruiter was trying to low bail you.