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There is a good number of product companies that have large offices there (Magento, Samsung, GitLab, Wargaming, Grammarly, Ubisoft and a ton more) plus large ou

by qaq 9y ago

There is a good number of product companies that have large offices there (Magento, Samsung, GitLab, Wargaming, Grammarly, Ubisoft and a ton more) plus large outsourcing companies pay well and are generally working on large scale serious products

user5994461 9y ago
Magento is a wordpress plugin, or similar enough. Hardly a large company. Samsung is a big hardware company, I'm not sure what they would have in software job but why not. GitLab is a fully remote company, they don't recruit anywhere specifically. Their full disclosure on their (low) salaries and losing customer data is certainly driving away the senior folks I know. Game companies are the shithole of the industry, the worst conditions and pays, worse than Indian sweet shops and failed SV startups. There is no sane job or career to be made there. Back to the point. You're going to work in a consulting shop, soon enough.
- qaq 9y ago
  I am not sure I follow :) the logic. This is a random list of product companies that I remember it's a small fraction of companies with large dev. offices in Ukraine. GitLab was a Ukrainian startup and has a large number of developers in Ukraine. Samsung had about 700 developers as far I remember. The compensation trends have very low correlation to how things are in US. The largest local $ making companies are mainly gambling, crypto and porn but they are not very public although many of them a really huge.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    I mean that good developers will migrate toward local companies that have good work conditions, good money, good projects, and good co workers. The companies you quote are not better than a middle grade outsourcing company in these regards, so they're not stealing their talents. If they are the best companies you could think of, that explains why you can find decent developers in the local outsourcing firms.
    - qaq 9y ago
      Well the above to one extent or the other have all of the above but outsourcing companies are on par as far as perks. I am working for fairly large public US company and all of the above mentioned have nicer offices and more perks :). The reason I mentioned these is because they are to some extent well known.
- siddharthdeswal 9y ago
  You're way off on Magento. See https://magento.com/news-room/press-releases/digital-commerce-innovators-drive-record-2016-101-billion-magento-economy https://magento.com/news-room/press-releases/digital-commerc... They're not a WordPress plugin, and they are a large company. I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.
- wolco 9y ago
  Magento is the biggest online marketplace platform. If you need full control over your store you would self host the software vs using shopify.

by qaq 9y ago

user5994461 9y ago

Magento is a wordpress plugin, or similar enough. Hardly a large company. Samsung is a big hardware company, I'm not sure what they would have in software job but why not. GitLab is a fully remote company, they don't recruit anywhere specifically. Their full disclosure on their (low) salaries and losing customer data is certainly driving away the senior folks I know. Game companies are the shithole of the industry, the worst conditions and pays, worse than Indian sweet shops and failed SV startups. There is no sane job or career to be made there. Back to the point. You're going to work in a consulting shop, soon enough.

qaq 9y ago
I am not sure I follow :) the logic. This is a random list of product companies that I remember it's a small fraction of companies with large dev. offices in Ukraine. GitLab was a Ukrainian startup and has a large number of developers in Ukraine. Samsung had about 700 developers as far I remember. The compensation trends have very low correlation to how things are in US. The largest local $ making companies are mainly gambling, crypto and porn but they are not very public although many of them a really huge.
- user5994461 9y ago
  I mean that good developers will migrate toward local companies that have good work conditions, good money, good projects, and good co workers. The companies you quote are not better than a middle grade outsourcing company in these regards, so they're not stealing their talents. If they are the best companies you could think of, that explains why you can find decent developers in the local outsourcing firms.
  - qaq 9y ago
    Well the above to one extent or the other have all of the above but outsourcing companies are on par as far as perks. I am working for fairly large public US company and all of the above mentioned have nicer offices and more perks :). The reason I mentioned these is because they are to some extent well known.
siddharthdeswal 9y ago
You're way off on Magento. See https://magento.com/news-room/press-releases/digital-commerce-innovators-drive-record-2016-101-billion-magento-economy https://magento.com/news-room/press-releases/digital-commerc... They're not a WordPress plugin, and they are a large company. I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.
wolco 9y ago
Magento is the biggest online marketplace platform. If you need full control over your store you would self host the software vs using shopify.