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You know how in technology we like to say "no one got fired for buying Cisco?". Well, for them it's no one got fired for selling Lipitor.

by aviv 9y ago

darkerside 9y ago
Exactly, and it's not an irrational decision either. There's a gap in the medical system. It's really really difficult to get people to change their behavior. It requires a completely different skill set from curing, preventing, or ameliorating clinical disease. Trying to get doctors do it is quite frankly a waste of everyone's time.
- messick 9y ago
  This dude posted up thread that Crohn’s can be cured by a 2 week water fast, so I don’t think he’s on the same page as you.
  - darkerside 9y ago
    His views sound a little more extreme (and seem to ascribe malicious intent to what I would label as systemic biases), but I think there's a lot of truth in the principles behind what he says. It's accepted today to dismiss anything that hasn't been scientifically proven, which ironically does a disservice to science. I think if you asked most true experts in the field doing cutting edge research, they'd be the first to admit that they don't know if fasting could cure some cases of Crohn's.
    - aviv 9y ago
      You are being naive. Who do you expect to do the "cutting edge" research to confirm fasting can cure Crohn's? Do you honestly not realize this is career suicide? There is zero benefit to researchers funded by the government or pharma to find out not eating for 10-30 days is the cure to something they are selling $200K/year treatment for. This is not a conspiracy theory - this is modern life facts 101. http://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/about/sponsors/ http://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/about/sponsors/ Yeah - sure, every corporate sponsor on this list just wishes for the day that it is finally known that Crohn's is not actually a lifelong incurable disease - and not only there is a cure - it literally costs nothing. In fact, you SAVE money by not eating too! LOL. It's astonishing how otherwise very smart people (especially on HN) cannot see beyond what's in front of them. I actually think the more conventionally-educated someone is, the harder it is for them to admit solutions are far simpler than they "should" be.
      - darkerside 9y ago
        I'm actually not disagreeing with you. Except that I think there is room to say that there are people working in this area who, like you say, are incentivized to research in other directions, not necessarily the one that most helps us. That doesn't make them evil or bad people. They're doing more to help than any of us trolling around on the internet.

You know how in technology we like to say "no one got fired for buying Cisco?". Well, for them it's no one got fired for selling Lipitor.

by aviv 9y ago

You know how in technology we like to say "no one got fired for buying Cisco?". Well, for them it's no one got fired for selling Lipitor.

darkerside 9y ago

Exactly, and it's not an irrational decision either. There's a gap in the medical system. It's really really difficult to get people to change their behavior. It requires a completely different skill set from curing, preventing, or ameliorating clinical disease. Trying to get doctors do it is quite frankly a waste of everyone's time.

messick 9y ago
This dude posted up thread that Crohn’s can be cured by a 2 week water fast, so I don’t think he’s on the same page as you.
- darkerside 9y ago
  His views sound a little more extreme (and seem to ascribe malicious intent to what I would label as systemic biases), but I think there's a lot of truth in the principles behind what he says. It's accepted today to dismiss anything that hasn't been scientifically proven, which ironically does a disservice to science. I think if you asked most true experts in the field doing cutting edge research, they'd be the first to admit that they don't know if fasting could cure some cases of Crohn's.
  - aviv 9y ago
    You are being naive. Who do you expect to do the "cutting edge" research to confirm fasting can cure Crohn's? Do you honestly not realize this is career suicide? There is zero benefit to researchers funded by the government or pharma to find out not eating for 10-30 days is the cure to something they are selling $200K/year treatment for. This is not a conspiracy theory - this is modern life facts 101. http://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/about/sponsors/ http://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/about/sponsors/ Yeah - sure, every corporate sponsor on this list just wishes for the day that it is finally known that Crohn's is not actually a lifelong incurable disease - and not only there is a cure - it literally costs nothing. In fact, you SAVE money by not eating too! LOL. It's astonishing how otherwise very smart people (especially on HN) cannot see beyond what's in front of them. I actually think the more conventionally-educated someone is, the harder it is for them to admit solutions are far simpler than they "should" be.
    - darkerside 9y ago
      I'm actually not disagreeing with you. Except that I think there is room to say that there are people working in this area who, like you say, are incentivized to research in other directions, not necessarily the one that most helps us. That doesn't make them evil or bad people. They're doing more to help than any of us trolling around on the internet.