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Two, to be precise. - Discord - VS Code

frozenport 9y ago
VS Code is crap compared to MSVC or CLion because it can't parse large C++ programs. Indeed, writing those kind of performance sensitive routines wiuld be difficult without going native.
Cyberdog 9y ago
If by "good" you mean "useful." Both are still non-native-UX piles of mess and would be far better and less resource-intensive if implemented as native apps.
- Yliaho 9y ago
  And then you realize you need to port the same app from Windows to Mac, Linux, Android and iOS. Good luck.
- fbnlsr 9y ago
  I really don't see the problem with either of those. I spend 8+ hours a day in VSCode and it works flawlessly. I just spent more than three hours with a friend on Discord playing The Division and it was smooth as it can be. It's kind of become the norm to hate on Electron apps, but to be fair, I don't see the point.
  - mdip 9y ago
    While the bloat of having to basically install a full version of Chrome just to get a UI makes a little part of me die inside, I'll second the 8+ hours a day in VSCode. I'm working on a python project right now and enjoying PyCharm quite a bit, but in a window right next to me is VS Code with my running log. I'm using it at home with a plug-in to write code in CUDA and C++, I use it at work for TypeScript and dotnet core C#, editing configuration files. Heck, on one of my Windows boxes, I have a PowerShell command "Edit-File" that opens up the target in VS Code, is set to the default commit comment editor for Git and aliases "nvim" because I can't get NeoVim to work on that box to save my life. Sure, it doesn't launch anywhere near as quickly as vi/vim/nvim, but since I live out of the thing, it's always already pulled up and the time it takes to open a file when the editor is already up is plenty fast. As far as being resource heavy -- I like to work on the couch at work and it's nowhere near a plug. I started doing light editing of C# and .NET apps in VS Code to avoid having Visual Studio halve my battery life. I get a solid 4 hours of editing/testing which isn't all that much less than I get just leaving Windows running with nothing open. It wasn't always like that, sure -- I recall either Atom or VS Code having a bug where the cursor blinking caused the CPU to stay steady at 15% (though, ConEmu -- a must-have console app for Windows[0] hangs at around 5-10% CPU with nothing executing, too), but I haven't had any battery/memory/CPU issues running Code for the last year or so. [0] If you use cmder, that's Conemu
baldfat 9y ago
R Studio
mdip 9y ago
I laughed at this -- I believe Keybase is also electron and that's on my must-install list every time. Props to VS Code - that, along with the excellent Markdown Enhanced Preview and (less excellent, but usable) VSVim extension is my note-taking app ... on my HP Omen laptop loaded with openSUSE Tumbleweed. Of the 7 or so people that I work directly with at the company that employs me, all of them run Linux (with most using Manjaro) and VS Code is pulled up on one of the monitors on every one of them. Who'd have thunk that a bunch of developers running Linux would be writing the vast majority of their code using a Microsoft product built natively for Linux named after another development tool who's name is usually proceeded by a profanity when spoken by a typical *nix geek.
SilverSlash 9y ago
Wait, Visual Studio Code is an electron app?! I always thought it was written in C++ which was why it was so smooth and fast unlike Atom.

VS Code is crap compared to MSVC or CLion because it can't parse large C++ programs. Indeed, writing those kind of performance sensitive routines wiuld be difficult without going native.

Cyberdog 9y ago

If by "good" you mean "useful." Both are still non-native-UX piles of mess and would be far better and less resource-intensive if implemented as native apps.

Yliaho 9y ago
And then you realize you need to port the same app from Windows to Mac, Linux, Android and iOS. Good luck.
fbnlsr 9y ago
I really don't see the problem with either of those. I spend 8+ hours a day in VSCode and it works flawlessly. I just spent more than three hours with a friend on Discord playing The Division and it was smooth as it can be. It's kind of become the norm to hate on Electron apps, but to be fair, I don't see the point.
- mdip 9y ago
  While the bloat of having to basically install a full version of Chrome just to get a UI makes a little part of me die inside, I'll second the 8+ hours a day in VSCode. I'm working on a python project right now and enjoying PyCharm quite a bit, but in a window right next to me is VS Code with my running log. I'm using it at home with a plug-in to write code in CUDA and C++, I use it at work for TypeScript and dotnet core C#, editing configuration files. Heck, on one of my Windows boxes, I have a PowerShell command "Edit-File" that opens up the target in VS Code, is set to the default commit comment editor for Git and aliases "nvim" because I can't get NeoVim to work on that box to save my life. Sure, it doesn't launch anywhere near as quickly as vi/vim/nvim, but since I live out of the thing, it's always already pulled up and the time it takes to open a file when the editor is already up is plenty fast. As far as being resource heavy -- I like to work on the couch at work and it's nowhere near a plug. I started doing light editing of C# and .NET apps in VS Code to avoid having Visual Studio halve my battery life. I get a solid 4 hours of editing/testing which isn't all that much less than I get just leaving Windows running with nothing open. It wasn't always like that, sure -- I recall either Atom or VS Code having a bug where the cursor blinking caused the CPU to stay steady at 15% (though, ConEmu -- a must-have console app for Windows[0] hangs at around 5-10% CPU with nothing executing, too), but I haven't had any battery/memory/CPU issues running Code for the last year or so. [0] If you use cmder, that's Conemu

baldfat 9y ago

R Studio

mdip 9y ago

I laughed at this -- I believe Keybase is also electron and that's on my must-install list every time. Props to VS Code - that, along with the excellent Markdown Enhanced Preview and (less excellent, but usable) VSVim extension is my note-taking app ... on my HP Omen laptop loaded with openSUSE Tumbleweed. Of the 7 or so people that I work directly with at the company that employs me, all of them run Linux (with most using Manjaro) and VS Code is pulled up on one of the monitors on every one of them. Who'd have thunk that a bunch of developers running Linux would be writing the vast majority of their code using a Microsoft product built natively for Linux named after another development tool who's name is usually proceeded by a profanity when spoken by a typical *nix geek.

SilverSlash 9y ago

Wait, Visual Studio Code is an electron app?! I always thought it was written in C++ which was why it was so smooth and fast unlike Atom.