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I bet the omnipresent "Sun"-symbol is removed from results, to conform with German Laws and general sentiments. You can find it on Nordic Runes and Tibetan tape

I bet the omnipresent "Sun"-symbol is removed from results, to conform with German Laws and general sentiments. You can find it on Nordic Runes and Tibetan tapestry and American Indian tepee decorations. And it always means "Sun" or "Good Luck" or something positive. Except after 1945 it does not.

Mediterraneo10 9y ago
> And it always means "Sun" or "Good Luck" or something positive. Except after 1945 it does not. The swastika was already quite firmly linked with fascism in Europe by the late 1920s.
- timonoko 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd
- Ralfp 9y ago
  > The swastika was already quite firmly linked with fascism in Europe by the late 1920s. It wasn't. If anything, it was linked to preservation of tradition and conservatism. I know from my grandparents, who are Polish Highlanders, that it also doubles for holy cross, and thus was used in sacral contexts or on tombstones: https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/10956059_1081186278573980_3615515725378902038_n.jpg https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1095605... https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/76313_398757823544879_1848103189_n.jpg https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/76313_3... https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1274539_645443875496433_1826066696_o.jpg https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1274539... European fascism builds on pride and glorification of national symbols, and reuse of those. For example here's Polish Fascists symbol that dates to '30s: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Green_flag_with_symbol_of_falanga.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Green_flag_with_symb... This is arm holding sword, and symbol was created as replacement for original symbol that was legendary sword that first polish king used to strike the gates of Kiev as he was establishing borders of first Polish Kingdom. Likewise symbol of Italian fascists was the Fasces (notice ), roman symbol for power and rule of their government. Spanish fascists used crests of their past royal family, the Falanga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_FE_JONS.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_FE_JONS.svg Here's Croatian fascists symbol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usta%C5%A1e_symbol.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usta%C5%A1e_symbol.svg Swastika was something that Germans adapted for their fascist movement, and it spread from there after the war, but saying that before war the swastika was already firmly linked with fascism is not true.
  - urig 9y ago
    The Nazi party adopted the hakenkreuz (swastika) in 1920. So yes, swastikas were associated with fascism long before WW2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Nazism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Nazism
    - Mediterraneo10 9y ago
      Thank you for understanding my point, which wasn't that the swastika was a longtime fascist symbol, but rather that the Nazi Party had accomplished its transformation into one by the late 1920s.
shervinafshar 9y ago
I don't believe that Swastika symbol is as ancient as these. Wikipedia tells me that it appears for the first time in 3000 BCE in India. Also, regarding "German Laws and general sentiment", I invite you to read this detailed blog post[1] on the history of Svasti symbols in Unicode[2] and the controversies around getting them in Unicode. Edit: Typo. Links corrected. [1]: https://babelstone.blogspot.com/2006/02/when-is-swastika-not-swastika.html https://babelstone.blogspot.com/2006/02/when-is-swastika-not... [2]: https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3Aname%3D%2FSVASTI%2F%3A%5D&g=&i= https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3...
- Houshalter 9y ago
  Why is it so controversial to have a swastika symbol in unicode? The hammer and sickle had no problems and it is also banned in some countries.
  - shervinafshar 9y ago
    I didn't express an opinion there as you seemingly assumed. I just stated that it ended up becoming controversial and this can be seen by referring to the documents and historical records of the meetings discussing the subject. One could see what I'm talking about if they at least skim through the blog post I linked to in my comment. Also, controversy is not a comparative matter (and this one indeed is an opinion). Edit: Grammar.
    - Houshalter 9y ago
      I'm not accusing you of anything. I just think it's ridiculous for the Unicode people and others to have such a double standard. It harms tibetans, and it shows a disturbing political bias.
      - shervinafshar 9y ago
        I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not here to defend Unicode Consortium (there's no such a thing as "Unicode people"), but disturbing as it may seem to the rest of us, any organization has its own political biases. Probably you should start a better detailed thread on the mailing list about your concerns. That would be a more appropriate forum for discussing your concerns.
spraak 9y ago
I don't see any sources regarding it being found in North America or Northern Europe, specifically Runes. Can you share?
- timonoko 9y ago
  Google "Tursaansydän" and "Hopi Swastika".
tomcooks 9y ago
1st row, 3rh d column, there's your sun symbol. Swastikas came much later, sun does not look like a swastika and has nothing to do with "Nordic Runes", whatever that might mean. Nothing to do with German laws either, considering they don't cover research. Please help stop this nonsense.

Mediterraneo10 9y ago

> And it always means "Sun" or "Good Luck" or something positive. Except after 1945 it does not. The swastika was already quite firmly linked with fascism in Europe by the late 1920s.

timonoko 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotta_Sv%C3%A4rd
Ralfp 9y ago
> The swastika was already quite firmly linked with fascism in Europe by the late 1920s. It wasn't. If anything, it was linked to preservation of tradition and conservatism. I know from my grandparents, who are Polish Highlanders, that it also doubles for holy cross, and thus was used in sacral contexts or on tombstones: https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/10956059_1081186278573980_3615515725378902038_n.jpg https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1095605... https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/76313_398757823544879_1848103189_n.jpg https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/76313_3... https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1274539_645443875496433_1826066696_o.jpg https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1274539... European fascism builds on pride and glorification of national symbols, and reuse of those. For example here's Polish Fascists symbol that dates to '30s: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Green_flag_with_symbol_of_falanga.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Green_flag_with_symb... This is arm holding sword, and symbol was created as replacement for original symbol that was legendary sword that first polish king used to strike the gates of Kiev as he was establishing borders of first Polish Kingdom. Likewise symbol of Italian fascists was the Fasces (notice ), roman symbol for power and rule of their government. Spanish fascists used crests of their past royal family, the Falanga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_FE_JONS.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_FE_JONS.svg Here's Croatian fascists symbol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usta%C5%A1e_symbol.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usta%C5%A1e_symbol.svg Swastika was something that Germans adapted for their fascist movement, and it spread from there after the war, but saying that before war the swastika was already firmly linked with fascism is not true.
- urig 9y ago
  The Nazi party adopted the hakenkreuz (swastika) in 1920. So yes, swastikas were associated with fascism long before WW2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Nazism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Nazism
  - Mediterraneo10 9y ago
    Thank you for understanding my point, which wasn't that the swastika was a longtime fascist symbol, but rather that the Nazi Party had accomplished its transformation into one by the late 1920s.

shervinafshar 9y ago

I don't believe that Swastika symbol is as ancient as these. Wikipedia tells me that it appears for the first time in 3000 BCE in India. Also, regarding "German Laws and general sentiment", I invite you to read this detailed blog post[1] on the history of Svasti symbols in Unicode[2] and the controversies around getting them in Unicode. Edit: Typo. Links corrected. [1]: https://babelstone.blogspot.com/2006/02/when-is-swastika-not-swastika.html https://babelstone.blogspot.com/2006/02/when-is-swastika-not... [2]: https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3Aname%3D%2FSVASTI%2F%3A%5D&g=&i= https://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3...

Houshalter 9y ago
Why is it so controversial to have a swastika symbol in unicode? The hammer and sickle had no problems and it is also banned in some countries.
- shervinafshar 9y ago
  I didn't express an opinion there as you seemingly assumed. I just stated that it ended up becoming controversial and this can be seen by referring to the documents and historical records of the meetings discussing the subject. One could see what I'm talking about if they at least skim through the blog post I linked to in my comment. Also, controversy is not a comparative matter (and this one indeed is an opinion). Edit: Grammar.
  - Houshalter 9y ago
    I'm not accusing you of anything. I just think it's ridiculous for the Unicode people and others to have such a double standard. It harms tibetans, and it shows a disturbing political bias.
    - shervinafshar 9y ago
      I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not here to defend Unicode Consortium (there's no such a thing as "Unicode people"), but disturbing as it may seem to the rest of us, any organization has its own political biases. Probably you should start a better detailed thread on the mailing list about your concerns. That would be a more appropriate forum for discussing your concerns.

spraak 9y ago

I don't see any sources regarding it being found in North America or Northern Europe, specifically Runes. Can you share?

timonoko 9y ago
Google "Tursaansydän" and "Hopi Swastika".

tomcooks 9y ago

1st row, 3rh d column, there's your sun symbol. Swastikas came much later, sun does not look like a swastika and has nothing to do with "Nordic Runes", whatever that might mean. Nothing to do with German laws either, considering they don't cover research. Please help stop this nonsense.