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> Considering that racial difference in learning outcomes is due to socioeconomic status Citation required

fma 9y ago
For what it's worth here's a citation proving counter to the statement...I stole from another commenter. https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html?m=1 https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-in... As someone who grew up in a poor immigrant family where the first generation was uneducated and spoke no English...I always find it insulting when low education is attributed to not having money. Not just myself as a counter anecdote, but 10 out of 11 of us second generation have college degrees and doing pretty darn well for ourselves . #11 is still in college.
- maoistinquisitr 9y ago
  Just goes to show you that school smarts don't make a successful nation. It takes a cohesive people and cultural heritage. This is why immigration is such a huge problem. I don't care how smart and high earning and proud of themselves the foreigner in question happens to be. These people are a huge problem for our future. We got where we are in substantial part on the basis of our culture and self respect. We can do without the snide foreigners. They should leave. After all, You're here. I'm not making derogatory and chauvinistic comments in your country.
  - smnrchrds 9y ago
    I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your earlier comment that is now clear was undeserved. So your solution for the failure of the American education system is that non-white people (whom you call "snide foreigners") should leave?
    - maoistinquisitr 9y ago
      I'm addressing the very, very common phenomenon of post-Soviets, Indians, and East Asians coming here to a country superior to their own in almost every measure and talking smack about how dumb we all are here, with little basis in fact. They should lose the chip on their shoulder, realize they come from flawed countries and flawed cultures, and see the relative superiority of the one they elected to emigrate to. After all, I'm not the emigrant being snide in a foreign land. I've lived overseas extensively and was always respectful and learned a lot. These newcomers should learn to salute Old Glory and cheer or they should go home. Good luck going to China (where the other fellow apparently ethnically originates) and talking about how dumb they all are online and how much smarter westerners are. They have an insane and violent sense of chauvinism. I merely hope to instill a sane level of chauvinism in Americans who read disparaging foreigners.
  - adamnemecek 9y ago
    Wow that went south fast.
- smnrchrds 9y ago
  > For what it's worth here's a citation proving counter to the statement. Does it? It seems to support my view. Your link shows that in PISA rankings by race in America are in this order: 1. Asian Americans 2. White Americans 3. Multiracial Americans 4. Hispanic Americans 5. African Americans Ignoring the multiracial category, because I couldn't find a source that included this category, that is exactly how median income differs between races in the US, i.e. Asian Americans have a higher median income that White Americans who have a higher median income than Hispanic Americans who have a higher median income than African Americans [1]. How exactly does this disprove my statement? And what exactly is insulting about saying education outcomes are related to socioeconomic status? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Race_Income.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United...
  - megaman22 9y ago
    The heresy is probably that the higher median income, which correlates with higher test scores, are both caused by another underlying difference. I really haven't decided whether that is culture or genetics, but there's something there.

fma 9y ago

For what it's worth here's a citation proving counter to the statement...I stole from another commenter. https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html?m=1 https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-in... As someone who grew up in a poor immigrant family where the first generation was uneducated and spoke no English...I always find it insulting when low education is attributed to not having money. Not just myself as a counter anecdote, but 10 out of 11 of us second generation have college degrees and doing pretty darn well for ourselves . #11 is still in college.

maoistinquisitr 9y ago
Just goes to show you that school smarts don't make a successful nation. It takes a cohesive people and cultural heritage. This is why immigration is such a huge problem. I don't care how smart and high earning and proud of themselves the foreigner in question happens to be. These people are a huge problem for our future. We got where we are in substantial part on the basis of our culture and self respect. We can do without the snide foreigners. They should leave. After all, You're here. I'm not making derogatory and chauvinistic comments in your country.
- smnrchrds 9y ago
  I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your earlier comment that is now clear was undeserved. So your solution for the failure of the American education system is that non-white people (whom you call "snide foreigners") should leave?
  - maoistinquisitr 9y ago
    I'm addressing the very, very common phenomenon of post-Soviets, Indians, and East Asians coming here to a country superior to their own in almost every measure and talking smack about how dumb we all are here, with little basis in fact. They should lose the chip on their shoulder, realize they come from flawed countries and flawed cultures, and see the relative superiority of the one they elected to emigrate to. After all, I'm not the emigrant being snide in a foreign land. I've lived overseas extensively and was always respectful and learned a lot. These newcomers should learn to salute Old Glory and cheer or they should go home. Good luck going to China (where the other fellow apparently ethnically originates) and talking about how dumb they all are online and how much smarter westerners are. They have an insane and violent sense of chauvinism. I merely hope to instill a sane level of chauvinism in Americans who read disparaging foreigners.
- adamnemecek 9y ago
  Wow that went south fast.
smnrchrds 9y ago
> For what it's worth here's a citation proving counter to the statement. Does it? It seems to support my view. Your link shows that in PISA rankings by race in America are in this order: 1. Asian Americans 2. White Americans 3. Multiracial Americans 4. Hispanic Americans 5. African Americans Ignoring the multiracial category, because I couldn't find a source that included this category, that is exactly how median income differs between races in the US, i.e. Asian Americans have a higher median income that White Americans who have a higher median income than Hispanic Americans who have a higher median income than African Americans [1]. How exactly does this disprove my statement? And what exactly is insulting about saying education outcomes are related to socioeconomic status? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Race_Income.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United...
- megaman22 9y ago
  The heresy is probably that the higher median income, which correlates with higher test scores, are both caused by another underlying difference. I really haven't decided whether that is culture or genetics, but there's something there.