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If whites have high test scores while non-whites don't, it might mean that the system does work for some groups, but not for others. This indicates as problem n

If whites have high test scores while non-whites don't, it might mean that the system does work for some groups, but not for others. This indicates as problem not with the curriculum, but rather with the way the curriculum is "distributed" (aka: the massive disparity between schools in wealthy areas vs poor urban areas). This is a pretty important distinction to make, given that this entire discussion is regarding the content of the curriculum.

maoistinquisitr 9y ago
The system works for all groups. Russian-Americans outperform Russians. Nigerian-Americans outperform Nigerians. And so on. There is ultimately a problem of the students involved that is not going to change on the scale of a single generation or two. Across multiple generations of concerted effort, who knows. But ignoring what might be 200 years from now the American education system actually works pretty well.
fma 9y ago
It's not the case. Citation another commenter posted https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html?m=1 https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-in...
- txcwpalpha 9y ago
  I fail to see how "it's not the case". That link very clearly shows that White Americans and Asian Americans vastly outperform African Americans and Hispanic Americans. Asian Americans are #4 on that list and White Americans are #16, bested only by a handful of Asian and European countries that are notorious for their stellar education systems. Meanwhile, Hispanic Americans are around #50 and African Americans around #60 on that list.
  - fma 9y ago
    Your original comment said "If whites have high test scores while non-whites don't" Whites do not have the highest test scores. Are you implying Asian Americans live in wealthier areas than whites?
    - txcwpalpha 9y ago
      Based on your link, it very clearly shows that some groups in America excel in America's education system while other groups don't. I'm not sure why you're so intent on splitting hairs about that. By the way, yes, Asian Americans typically do live in higher-income areas when compared to other racial groups in America. Very few Asian Americans live in rural areas or in states that are known to have poor education distributions (eg deep south). Asian Americans overwhelmingly live in LA, NYC, Massachusetts, Dallas, Houston, or the Bay Area, which are certainly more "wealthier area" than places like rural Alabama, West Virginia, or Montana where poorer whites live. Asian Americans have the highest income levels out of any racial group in America. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_American...

maoistinquisitr 9y ago

The system works for all groups. Russian-Americans outperform Russians. Nigerian-Americans outperform Nigerians. And so on. There is ultimately a problem of the students involved that is not going to change on the scale of a single generation or two. Across multiple generations of concerted effort, who knows. But ignoring what might be 200 years from now the American education system actually works pretty well.

fma 9y ago

It's not the case. Citation another commenter posted https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html?m=1 https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-in...

txcwpalpha 9y ago
I fail to see how "it's not the case". That link very clearly shows that White Americans and Asian Americans vastly outperform African Americans and Hispanic Americans. Asian Americans are #4 on that list and White Americans are #16, bested only by a handful of Asian and European countries that are notorious for their stellar education systems. Meanwhile, Hispanic Americans are around #50 and African Americans around #60 on that list.
- fma 9y ago
  Your original comment said "If whites have high test scores while non-whites don't" Whites do not have the highest test scores. Are you implying Asian Americans live in wealthier areas than whites?
  - txcwpalpha 9y ago
    Based on your link, it very clearly shows that some groups in America excel in America's education system while other groups don't. I'm not sure why you're so intent on splitting hairs about that. By the way, yes, Asian Americans typically do live in higher-income areas when compared to other racial groups in America. Very few Asian Americans live in rural areas or in states that are known to have poor education distributions (eg deep south). Asian Americans overwhelmingly live in LA, NYC, Massachusetts, Dallas, Houston, or the Bay Area, which are certainly more "wealthier area" than places like rural Alabama, West Virginia, or Montana where poorer whites live. Asian Americans have the highest income levels out of any racial group in America. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_American...