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Reading this thread made me very sad. People talking about the ccc that clearly don't have the slightest idea what the ccc is, talking about the "word of god" o
by BlackLotus89 9y ago
Reading this thread made me very sad. People talking about the ccc that clearly don't have the slightest idea what the ccc is, talking about the "word of god" of the hacker community.
sp332 somehow tried to argue against a ruling through a court of law mentioning this post https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees....
For the record: The first (and many times the only) place rape allegations should be made are with the police so that they can be judged by a court of law.
Accusing someone of a heinous crime like this (yes the prison sentences mentioned in the blog post should be mostly correct) can ruin someone s life even without a ruling. There was a fucking lynchmob for christ sake.
To the allegationa against Appelbaum: They were mostly proven to be false or probably false. There were many accounts against the accuser and the accounts that went against the accused were (afaik) mostly disproven (no claim was ever proven or brought before a court of law). Here is a Spiegel article about it for the once too lazy to google http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-08/jacob-appelbaum-rape-allegations-contradictions http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-08/jacob-appelbaum-rape-alleg...
here are accounts of ex girlfriends of his https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/741634572673110016 https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/741634572673110016
This is the only case I know of where people actively defended someone accused of rape that I know of.
Here are some links for the backlash the tor project got for proscecuting someone like this without proof https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor
https://web.archive.org/web/20160817173704/https://www.oneeyedman.net/?p=2581 https://web.archive.org/web/20160817173704/https://www.oneey... https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19690 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19690
And the ccc (even if I don't count myself as one of it's members anymore) is one of the best, friendliest, most helpful, lawful good and open organisations in existence and "articles" like thos are toxic (not to say evil) and fud spreading. I will accept any ruling by a judge, but I will forever condemn people "blogging" about things like this in a fashion like this.
- sp332 9y agoI think event organizers should be told so that they can take steps to protect other attendees. And if the victims would rather reconcile and restore their relationship with the abuser, why would they go to court? Somehow you want someone to spend decades in jail and be deported, but being merely avoided is somehow too much - that's an odd value judgement.
- stormking 9y agoIt's more likely they don't want to go to court because they know the accusations are bullshit.
- sp332 9y agohttps://medium.com/@chelsea.komlo/behind-every-serial-abuser-there-are-many-enablers-491bf2303f82 https://medium.com/@chelsea.komlo/behind-every-serial-abuser... "I firmly believe that individuals (and organizations) who have committed mistakes should be forgiven if they truly understand the harm done and genuinely work to make things right for the future." You have failed to make a link from anything these people want to anything they could get by going to the police. "The second person involved in my assault has apologized and gone through a community justice process." So it's not bullshit.