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> Every married heterosexual man has at least one acquaintance who was "divorce raped". All of the virtue signaling in the world by a man's wife does not protec

> Every married heterosexual man has at least one acquaintance who was "divorce raped". All of the virtue signaling in the world by a man's wife does not protect him from a change of her heart. Eww. Do they actually call it that? That's messed up. Anyhow, nobody is forcing anyone to get married. It's no different from any other contract. If you don't like the terms, don't sign the sheet.

ryanmarsh 9y ago
If you don't like the terms, don't sign the sheet Thankfully many guys younger than I are waking up to the reality of marriage. Unfortunately my generation was fed the bullshit about "God's plan". The truth of marriage and divorce needs to be communicated to all young men lest we continue to end up broke and unable to see our children.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Unfortunately my generation was fed the bullshit about "God's plan". Are you, like, what, 120 or something? Even Ametica’s (unusually large minority for a first world country, but still) religious fanatics today mostly are extremely pragmatic (arguably, downright libertine) when it comes to the male position with regard to marriage. I don't know what line you may have been fed, but I think you are grossly mischaracterizing any living generation with your generalization.
  - ryanmarsh 9y ago
    I shouldn’t have said “my generation” too broad. Young Christians I grew up with and around.
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  Good point - I feel like marriage is glorified and society is telling us without it you will not be happy. This is coming from Hollywood, religion etc. People are waking up to the fact that marriage may not suit everyone and divorce can be unfair in some cases. My case in point. My wife cheated on me after a year of marriage but because I was the higher earner I had to give her all the money I earned that year. Not to mention the fact I didn't get any credit for having paid off all of her car loan with pre-martial money.
- 32f247e5 9y ago
  Absolutely. Heres one fucked up example. You thought of an idea; get married; divorced; you implement the idea/make money off it;. Goodluck cause now state gets to decide how much ip-right/money should the ex-spouse get.
  - sudosteph 9y ago
    Citation? Everything I'm reading says that your property, including IP, that was exclusively yours before marriage, is yours when you get divorced. Likewise, I don't see any way for post-divorce ideas and businesses to be considered "community property". Looking at WA laws though.
32f247e5 9y ago
> If you don't like the terms, don't sign the sheet. There are no terms on the sheet (marriage licence). State makes up rules as it go.
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  Would you sign a contract which can be arbitrarily changed by a third party at any point? Would you signed a contact where the terms are not clearly defined? This is the state of marriage today in many Western countries
  - 32f247e5 9y ago
    I would not. Did you mean to reply to parent comment ?
    - Blackstone4 9y ago
      Maybe I could have been more clear. I agree with you and was echoing your sentiment with a couple of questions to back up your point.
  - sudosteph 9y ago
    1. The terms are clearly defined in legislation 2. Do you refuse to drive a car for the same reason?
    - Blackstone4 9y ago
      1. It depends on your jurisdiction. Often they are not clearly defined. In part because there are so many possibilities and it's difficult to write rules to handle all of them. This is where judges come in. If you go to court, it will depend on the judge and their take on the situation. That aside, my original point stands. You sign a marriage contract and the state legislature can change the terms of the contract without your consent. 2. Could you elaborate? I couldn't understand the point you made. As far as I'm aware you don't sign a contract when you drive a car.
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ryanmarsh 9y ago

If you don't like the terms, don't sign the sheet Thankfully many guys younger than I are waking up to the reality of marriage. Unfortunately my generation was fed the bullshit about "God's plan". The truth of marriage and divorce needs to be communicated to all young men lest we continue to end up broke and unable to see our children.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Unfortunately my generation was fed the bullshit about "God's plan". Are you, like, what, 120 or something? Even Ametica’s (unusually large minority for a first world country, but still) religious fanatics today mostly are extremely pragmatic (arguably, downright libertine) when it comes to the male position with regard to marriage. I don't know what line you may have been fed, but I think you are grossly mischaracterizing any living generation with your generalization.
- ryanmarsh 9y ago
  I shouldn’t have said “my generation” too broad. Young Christians I grew up with and around.
Blackstone4 9y ago
Good point - I feel like marriage is glorified and society is telling us without it you will not be happy. This is coming from Hollywood, religion etc. People are waking up to the fact that marriage may not suit everyone and divorce can be unfair in some cases. My case in point. My wife cheated on me after a year of marriage but because I was the higher earner I had to give her all the money I earned that year. Not to mention the fact I didn't get any credit for having paid off all of her car loan with pre-martial money.
32f247e5 9y ago
Absolutely. Heres one fucked up example. You thought of an idea; get married; divorced; you implement the idea/make money off it;. Goodluck cause now state gets to decide how much ip-right/money should the ex-spouse get.
- sudosteph 9y ago
  Citation? Everything I'm reading says that your property, including IP, that was exclusively yours before marriage, is yours when you get divorced. Likewise, I don't see any way for post-divorce ideas and businesses to be considered "community property". Looking at WA laws though.

32f247e5 9y ago

> If you don't like the terms, don't sign the sheet. There are no terms on the sheet (marriage licence). State makes up rules as it go.

Blackstone4 9y ago
Would you sign a contract which can be arbitrarily changed by a third party at any point? Would you signed a contact where the terms are not clearly defined? This is the state of marriage today in many Western countries
- 32f247e5 9y ago
  I would not. Did you mean to reply to parent comment ?
  - Blackstone4 9y ago
    Maybe I could have been more clear. I agree with you and was echoing your sentiment with a couple of questions to back up your point.
- sudosteph 9y ago
  1. The terms are clearly defined in legislation 2. Do you refuse to drive a car for the same reason?
  - Blackstone4 9y ago
    1. It depends on your jurisdiction. Often they are not clearly defined. In part because there are so many possibilities and it's difficult to write rules to handle all of them. This is where judges come in. If you go to court, it will depend on the judge and their take on the situation. That aside, my original point stands. You sign a marriage contract and the state legislature can change the terms of the contract without your consent. 2. Could you elaborate? I couldn't understand the point you made. As far as I'm aware you don't sign a contract when you drive a car.
9y ago