> Virtually every single thing you consider a positive can be traced to ideas that came from religion. (e.g.) Charity, helping your neighbor, community, law, pr

> Virtually every single thing you consider a positive can be traced to ideas that came from religion. (e.g.) Charity, helping your neighbor, community, law, proportional punishment... You mean judeo-christian morality. The prevailing theory, as I understand it, is that this morality evolved from the play circuit that exists in mammals - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI9n2yC14fU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI9n2yC14fU A quote of his, which I cant find, sounds something like "For all the flaws in Catholicism, it's probably the closest that humanity has gotten [to an optimal moral framework]". I think that's overstated. The enduring religious orders that have survived thousands of years, do have a some sort of claim to such a thing. Generation after generation responding to archetypes (repeated in non-religious culture) is compelling, to me.