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I agree on hardware quality. Security to me seems like a sales pitch - Apple is just as sensitive information greedy as Google. And I deal in this area with Go

by chewz 9y ago

I agree on hardware quality. Security to me seems like a sales pitch - Apple is just as sensitive information greedy as Google. And I deal in this area with Google as well as I do with Apple. But the inferior software quality is terrible drag for Apple. Photos - their syncing with iCloud is out of control. There are bugs that haven’t been eliminated for years. I gave up when after deleting 50 GB of RAW photos Apple re-created then and synced back to mu Mac. Google Photos is not only more open but also smarter and better at improving picture quality. Apple Music - I gave up after a month of getting recommended Heavy Metal albums and playlusts everyday. Nothing in my Library, listening and followed artist suggested that I might like Metal. What kind of company can’t write simple recommender? iCloud - Google Drive is just superior, more open, integrates and exchanges files with almost everything, Google Backup just works. iCloud backup is really inferior and again out of control for user. Apple Mail stoped beeing developed and there are well documented frustrating bugs and quirks if you use IMAP accounts. Maps - despite Tim Cook’s promise to users it never got on par with Google Maps. The quality difers wildly from country to country but recently I have re-installed Maps, used them for a week in my hometown and got so frustrated that I have deleted Maps and went back to using Google Maps. Oh should I mention that touch interface is full of bugs. Try selecting a piece of text in iOS...

yladiz 9y ago
> Apple is just as sensitive information greedy as Google As in Apple stores the information on their servers, forever? A lot of the sensitive information like a fingerprint or face scan is saved solely on the phone, as is a lot of the ML based features like content detection within a photo. Apple doesn't use a server farm to tell you there's a dog in your photo, it uses your phone. There aren't good excuses for some of the bugs on iOS (the most recent iOS has been out for months and they still can't fix the emoji keyboard size issue, when this issue didn't exist in previous iOS versions?) but I trust Apple significantly more than Google with my data, in part because I know Apple's money isn't from my data, it's from the sale of their phone. This isn't true for Google and it will likely always be true that Google makes its money from advertising and user data. I also trust Apple to actually do some semblance of due diligence and make sure their app store isn't full of malware, something Google seems unable to do reliably.
- chewz 9y ago
  I agree that Google is evil regarding data collection. I have no illusions about Google. But I am dealing with it through blocking Google calling home mostly via DNS, firewall and some custom extensions in Chrome or using Firefox Focus and on the go via Raspberry Pi router and my private VPN. Apple however is calling home no less then Google and is quite secretive about why and what information is transferred so I am blocking most of it same as Google.
  - walterbell 9y ago
    How do you generate an Apple IP blocklist while still permitting access to App Store, security updates, mail, etc?
ShabbosGoy 9y ago
> Security to me seems like a sales pitch - Apple is just as sensitive information greedy as Google. And I deal in this area with Google as well as I do with Apple. I was scratching my head when I read this part of your comment. It makes me wonder if you ever owned or used an iPhone. iOS is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple doesn’t store any data on their servers, save for iCloud. And you don’t need to use iCloud to have a functional phone.
- chewz 9y ago
  Have you ever observed amount of calls home from the iPhone?
reaperducer 9y ago
I'll give you a couple here. You're right that Apple Maps is still streets behind Google Maps. Apple Mail should be better than it is, but Apple seems to be only interested in providing a bare-bones mail experience and leaving the fancy stuff to third-parties. And I just can get my brain around Apple Music, either. The rest of it is either outdated or wildly inaccurate. I have to use Android phones for work (one Sony, one LG), but I have an iPhone for personal use. I can tell you from daily use of both, the majority of iPhone software is vastly superior. And you really need to stop spouting that line about Apple collecting information like Google. Anyone who knows anything about IT privacy knows that's wrong, and it just undermines your credibility.

by chewz 9y ago

yladiz 9y ago

> Apple is just as sensitive information greedy as Google As in Apple stores the information on their servers, forever? A lot of the sensitive information like a fingerprint or face scan is saved solely on the phone, as is a lot of the ML based features like content detection within a photo. Apple doesn't use a server farm to tell you there's a dog in your photo, it uses your phone. There aren't good excuses for some of the bugs on iOS (the most recent iOS has been out for months and they still can't fix the emoji keyboard size issue, when this issue didn't exist in previous iOS versions?) but I trust Apple significantly more than Google with my data, in part because I know Apple's money isn't from my data, it's from the sale of their phone. This isn't true for Google and it will likely always be true that Google makes its money from advertising and user data. I also trust Apple to actually do some semblance of due diligence and make sure their app store isn't full of malware, something Google seems unable to do reliably.

chewz 9y ago
I agree that Google is evil regarding data collection. I have no illusions about Google. But I am dealing with it through blocking Google calling home mostly via DNS, firewall and some custom extensions in Chrome or using Firefox Focus and on the go via Raspberry Pi router and my private VPN. Apple however is calling home no less then Google and is quite secretive about why and what information is transferred so I am blocking most of it same as Google.
- walterbell 9y ago
  How do you generate an Apple IP blocklist while still permitting access to App Store, security updates, mail, etc?

ShabbosGoy 9y ago

> Security to me seems like a sales pitch - Apple is just as sensitive information greedy as Google. And I deal in this area with Google as well as I do with Apple. I was scratching my head when I read this part of your comment. It makes me wonder if you ever owned or used an iPhone. iOS is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple doesn’t store any data on their servers, save for iCloud. And you don’t need to use iCloud to have a functional phone.

chewz 9y ago
Have you ever observed amount of calls home from the iPhone?

reaperducer 9y ago

I'll give you a couple here. You're right that Apple Maps is still streets behind Google Maps. Apple Mail should be better than it is, but Apple seems to be only interested in providing a bare-bones mail experience and leaving the fancy stuff to third-parties. And I just can get my brain around Apple Music, either. The rest of it is either outdated or wildly inaccurate. I have to use Android phones for work (one Sony, one LG), but I have an iPhone for personal use. I can tell you from daily use of both, the majority of iPhone software is vastly superior. And you really need to stop spouting that line about Apple collecting information like Google. Anyone who knows anything about IT privacy knows that's wrong, and it just undermines your credibility.