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> A new report in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology named the term “educationism” More shoddy activism handwaving as 'science' for media attention

> A new report in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology named the term “educationism” More shoddy activism handwaving as 'science' for media attention and social policy change. Coin a term for an "effect" with shoddy research meant to advance your poltical ideology. See: Stereotype threat, implicit bias. Sounds suspiciously close to "scientism" as well. > the education system is “motivated to maintain the status quo” – where the children of highly-educated parents go to university, while children with less exposure to education go into vocational training or apprenticeships This whole article is thinly veiled political ideology mixed with pop psychology BS. It's a charade. > “It wasn’t so much overt stigma, but the hidden injuries of social class that kept emerging" Uh huh.

549362-30499 9y ago
> Uh huh. You're casually dismissing a reference to a pretty well known and important work in sociology: https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Injuries-Class-Jonathan-Cobb/dp/039331085X https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Injuries-Class-Jonathan-Cobb/d... I'm happy to buy a copy for you if you send me your address and promise to read it!
- ghostcluster 9y ago
  From the quoted New Yorker review, > It is an excellent example of social-science work in which the authors do not pretend impartiality a.k.a. Exactly what I'm talking about: Political sctivism via masquerade using the veneer of 'science'
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- chewxy 9y ago
  Ooh can I get one? I promise to read it and review it on my blog
  - throwanem 9y ago
    Email me at either of the addresses in my profile to let me know where you'd like it shipped. (eta: Also, have a look at the book linked from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16007116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16007116, which is probably more on point to the subject of this thread. The next person I talk to who's also read it will be the first, and as I describe there, I'm interested to hear what others with an interest in the subject at hand think of it, too.)
h0l0cube 9y ago
> More shoddy activism handwaving as 'science' for media attention and social policy change. And you're suffering from selection bias by ignoring the actual scientific studies mentioned in the article and cherry picking some of the fluff. My other comment on here notes a couple of them.
dang 9y ago
This comment is the sort of indignant, dismissive snark that we need HN users to forego when commenting here, especially when discussing new work. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; if you don't, please don't comment until you do. Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of ideology, so please stop doing that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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throwanem 9y ago
You seem to take a keen interest here. I wonder if you're familiar with John Taylor Gatto's prior work in the field. (see https://archive.org/details/JohnTaylorGattoTheUndergroundHistoryOfAmericanEducationBook https://archive.org/details/JohnTaylorGattoTheUndergroundHis...). I'd be greatly obliged to hear your evaluation of it, and any substantive response you'd care to make, having once familiarized yourself with it - it's a fairly quick read in my experience.

549362-30499 9y ago

> Uh huh. You're casually dismissing a reference to a pretty well known and important work in sociology: https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Injuries-Class-Jonathan-Cobb/dp/039331085X https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Injuries-Class-Jonathan-Cobb/d... I'm happy to buy a copy for you if you send me your address and promise to read it!

ghostcluster 9y ago
From the quoted New Yorker review, > It is an excellent example of social-science work in which the authors do not pretend impartiality a.k.a. Exactly what I'm talking about: Political sctivism via masquerade using the veneer of 'science'
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chewxy 9y ago
Ooh can I get one? I promise to read it and review it on my blog
- throwanem 9y ago
  Email me at either of the addresses in my profile to let me know where you'd like it shipped. (eta: Also, have a look at the book linked from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16007116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16007116, which is probably more on point to the subject of this thread. The next person I talk to who's also read it will be the first, and as I describe there, I'm interested to hear what others with an interest in the subject at hand think of it, too.)

h0l0cube 9y ago

> More shoddy activism handwaving as 'science' for media attention and social policy change. And you're suffering from selection bias by ignoring the actual scientific studies mentioned in the article and cherry picking some of the fluff. My other comment on here notes a couple of them.

dang 9y ago

This comment is the sort of indignant, dismissive snark that we need HN users to forego when commenting here, especially when discussing new work. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; if you don't, please don't comment until you do. Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of ideology, so please stop doing that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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throwanem 9y ago

You seem to take a keen interest here. I wonder if you're familiar with John Taylor Gatto's prior work in the field. (see https://archive.org/details/JohnTaylorGattoTheUndergroundHistoryOfAmericanEducationBook https://archive.org/details/JohnTaylorGattoTheUndergroundHis...). I'd be greatly obliged to hear your evaluation of it, and any substantive response you'd care to make, having once familiarized yourself with it - it's a fairly quick read in my experience.