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It's beyond sickening to see one more product you buy attempt to control you via license. when will this shit end for hardware or is it just the start?

naikrovek 9y ago
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that NVidia do. This is the kind of thing they ALWAYS do. Don't be surprised. NVidia are assholes.
- jey 9y ago
  What are some other examples?
  - lucaspiller 9y ago
    If you want to pass-through a consumer Nvidia card to a VM, you need to hide that you are running a VM from the guest OS, otherwise the Nvidia drivers will fail with some obscure errors. https://github.com/sk1080/nvidia-kvm-patcher/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/sk1080/nvidia-kvm-patcher/blob/master/REA...
    - Patrick_Devine 9y ago
      I've run into this before and gave up and just ran things on physical hw. It baffles me that we're running in to this crap in 2017.
      - chrisper 9y ago
        Works fine for me. Now there is even software that doesn't require changing the HDMI input for this.
  - ago 9y ago
    If you wanted to use a secondary nVidia card for PhysX, all was fine until nVidia changed their driver to disable PhysX when it detected an active AMD card.
  - strgrd 9y ago
    NVIDIA GameWorks is probably the most cancerous thing to happen to the gaming industry. Partnering with UE4 to fuck games for AMD at the engine level :(
  - userbinator 9y ago
    Here is another interesting read: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/hacking-nvidia-cards-into-their-professional-counterparts/ https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/hacking-nvidia-cards-into... The difference between their "professional" GPUs and regular ones is literally a few sub-cent resistors.
    - andars 9y ago
      Sometimes. The GeForce GTX 690 used the same chip as the Quadro K5000 (the GK104). More recent generations typically have different silicon (or bins with defective regions) in the pro and gaming lines. For instance, high end pascal gaming cards use GP104, but Tesla P100 uses the GP100. For more details, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proc... (Notably the "code name" columns).
    - dan1234 9y ago
      You used to be able to upgrade AMD CPUs with a pencil. http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/tbird/ http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/tbird/
- iamcreasy 9y ago
  Is that why Tesla is building their own chip for Autopilot?
- dang 9y ago
  Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive rants to HN. We're looking for thoughtful conversation, not venting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
ebrewste 9y ago
This is value based pricing. It is just the start, it isn't new, and it isn't limited to computer hardware. *aaS (anything as a service) is the newest flavor of this. Expect it to explode as IoT becomes more mature.
TeMPOraL 9y ago
It's not a start - we're way into that situation now. But things are getting worse. This is legal-level restriction. If they wanted to be complete assholes, they'd tie the driver to an on-line service instead, like almost everyone on the IoT market does these days. Not sure what's the way out. The market doesn't and won't care (that's exactly why they're doing it), and you can't legislate things as vague as "don't be an greedy asshole", which is what all of this boils down to.

naikrovek 9y ago

This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that NVidia do. This is the kind of thing they ALWAYS do. Don't be surprised. NVidia are assholes.

jey 9y ago
What are some other examples?
- lucaspiller 9y ago
  If you want to pass-through a consumer Nvidia card to a VM, you need to hide that you are running a VM from the guest OS, otherwise the Nvidia drivers will fail with some obscure errors. https://github.com/sk1080/nvidia-kvm-patcher/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/sk1080/nvidia-kvm-patcher/blob/master/REA...
  - Patrick_Devine 9y ago
    I've run into this before and gave up and just ran things on physical hw. It baffles me that we're running in to this crap in 2017.
    - chrisper 9y ago
      Works fine for me. Now there is even software that doesn't require changing the HDMI input for this.
- ago 9y ago
  If you wanted to use a secondary nVidia card for PhysX, all was fine until nVidia changed their driver to disable PhysX when it detected an active AMD card.
- strgrd 9y ago
  NVIDIA GameWorks is probably the most cancerous thing to happen to the gaming industry. Partnering with UE4 to fuck games for AMD at the engine level :(
- userbinator 9y ago
  Here is another interesting read: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/hacking-nvidia-cards-into-their-professional-counterparts/ https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/hacking-nvidia-cards-into... The difference between their "professional" GPUs and regular ones is literally a few sub-cent resistors.
  - andars 9y ago
    Sometimes. The GeForce GTX 690 used the same chip as the Quadro K5000 (the GK104). More recent generations typically have different silicon (or bins with defective regions) in the pro and gaming lines. For instance, high end pascal gaming cards use GP104, but Tesla P100 uses the GP100. For more details, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proc... (Notably the "code name" columns).
  - dan1234 9y ago
    You used to be able to upgrade AMD CPUs with a pencil. http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/tbird/ http://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/tbird/
iamcreasy 9y ago
Is that why Tesla is building their own chip for Autopilot?
dang 9y ago
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive rants to HN. We're looking for thoughtful conversation, not venting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ebrewste 9y ago

This is value based pricing. It is just the start, it isn't new, and it isn't limited to computer hardware. *aaS (anything as a service) is the newest flavor of this. Expect it to explode as IoT becomes more mature.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

It's not a start - we're way into that situation now. But things are getting worse. This is legal-level restriction. If they wanted to be complete assholes, they'd tie the driver to an on-line service instead, like almost everyone on the IoT market does these days. Not sure what's the way out. The market doesn't and won't care (that's exactly why they're doing it), and you can't legislate things as vague as "don't be an greedy asshole", which is what all of this boils down to.