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> With the help of Silicon Valley providers, AI could be trained to detect abusive images "within two-three years", Mr Stokes said. If the goal is to get somet

> With the help of Silicon Valley providers, AI could be trained to detect abusive images "within two-three years", Mr Stokes said. If the goal is to get something so high quality that the police won't ever have to look at it, I doubt it. You have Google and Facebook employing people to deal with user reports about this stuff, as well as ad companies manually checking websites.

IanCal 9y ago
There would be a significant benefit to just being able to reliably get rough numbers plus some examples of the worst pictures for an expert to grade rather than having the task of searching 10000 horrific pictures to see if any fall into certain categories.
- Brotkrumen 9y ago
  That's what their story is, but unlikely to be true. All "horrific" pictures will have to be graded by a human, because you have the right to face your accuser, the service providers will not let you near their codebase and AI won't be 100% accurate in the next few years. What they will be able to do with that software is trawl through orders of magnitudes more pictures, filter by probable hits and show those to staff. Right now someone has to be suspected to warrant the expensive attention of an expert. With that software you can fish in everyone's data.
  - IanCal 9y ago
    Cases reported in the media usually talk about people having thousands of pictures each, I wasn't talking about thousands of different people.
    - Brotkrumen 9y ago
      Thats the point. None of the 90% normal pictures will do any psychological damage, the 10% illegal pictures will but those will have to be looked at anyway. The advantage of an algo detecting illegal content isn't in protecting civil servants, it's scanning everyone without them.
stordoff 9y ago
I doubt that's the goal (or at least if it is, it is shortsighted). There's still a benefit (to the police) of being able to say "Here's 100,000 images, of which we strongly suspect some percentage are abusive. Show me those images which are _probably_ illegal", even if just in time spent.

IanCal 9y ago

There would be a significant benefit to just being able to reliably get rough numbers plus some examples of the worst pictures for an expert to grade rather than having the task of searching 10000 horrific pictures to see if any fall into certain categories.

Brotkrumen 9y ago
That's what their story is, but unlikely to be true. All "horrific" pictures will have to be graded by a human, because you have the right to face your accuser, the service providers will not let you near their codebase and AI won't be 100% accurate in the next few years. What they will be able to do with that software is trawl through orders of magnitudes more pictures, filter by probable hits and show those to staff. Right now someone has to be suspected to warrant the expensive attention of an expert. With that software you can fish in everyone's data.
- IanCal 9y ago
  Cases reported in the media usually talk about people having thousands of pictures each, I wasn't talking about thousands of different people.
  - Brotkrumen 9y ago
    Thats the point. None of the 90% normal pictures will do any psychological damage, the 10% illegal pictures will but those will have to be looked at anyway. The advantage of an algo detecting illegal content isn't in protecting civil servants, it's scanning everyone without them.

stordoff 9y ago

I doubt that's the goal (or at least if it is, it is shortsighted). There's still a benefit (to the police) of being able to say "Here's 100,000 images, of which we strongly suspect some percentage are abusive. Show me those images which are _probably_ illegal", even if just in time spent.