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Indonesia actually has a larger GDP than the Netherlands and the largest economy in South East Asia

yanowitz 9y ago
GDP per capita is more than 4x in Netherlands (on a PPP basis). On a straight per capita basis, it’s even higher. See, e.g., https://tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/gdp-per-capita https://tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/gdp-per-capita
- Someone 9y ago
  Lower GDP generally also means infrastructure works are cheaper. Also, the problem here mostly seems to be not money, but government. As the article states “Nobody here believes in the greater good […] There is no trust”. Short-term, how much more expensive would it be to get clean water from the rivers flowing into Jakarta, instead of from those illegal wells?
  - yanowitz 9y ago
    Purchasing Power Parity is meant to capture elements like cheaper costs of construction. It gives a real sense of the gap between Indonesia (4th most populous country, with China and India neck-and-neck, followed quite a bit lower by the U.S.) and the Netherlands. Corruption may be a factor too, but you can’t squeeze blood from a stone.
    - Someone 9y ago
      Is meant to, yes, but it doesn’t, because it isn’t possible to capture pricing differences in a single number. In general, cheap to transport durable goods (such as electronics) move easily between countries and, hence, are priced similarly (barring taxes and import tariffs). Less cheap to transport (e.g. bricks) or less durable (e.g. fruit) goods move less easily, and labor moves least easily. Consequently, it is way cheaper in poorer countries to have personnel, to pay people for repairing stuff, etc.
- emmelaich 9y ago
  Huh? That source gives Indonesia about USD4000 and for Netherlands around USD52000 per capita. (I think I misread your comment and others might too, so I'm leaving this here)
blunte 9y ago
With 300 million people compared to 18 million in Netherlands, I'm not sure it's worth mentioning. But if your point is that Indonesia is not to be overlooked, then that is quite true.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  My point was a response to the parent comment: >"Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking" When in fact fact it does have the resources to build a Delta Works-like system similar to the Netherlands.

GDP per capita is more than 4x in Netherlands (on a PPP basis). On a straight per capita basis, it’s even higher. See, e.g., https://tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/gdp-per-capita https://tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/gdp-per-capita

Someone 9y ago
Lower GDP generally also means infrastructure works are cheaper. Also, the problem here mostly seems to be not money, but government. As the article states “Nobody here believes in the greater good […] There is no trust”. Short-term, how much more expensive would it be to get clean water from the rivers flowing into Jakarta, instead of from those illegal wells?
- yanowitz 9y ago
  Purchasing Power Parity is meant to capture elements like cheaper costs of construction. It gives a real sense of the gap between Indonesia (4th most populous country, with China and India neck-and-neck, followed quite a bit lower by the U.S.) and the Netherlands. Corruption may be a factor too, but you can’t squeeze blood from a stone.
  - Someone 9y ago
    Is meant to, yes, but it doesn’t, because it isn’t possible to capture pricing differences in a single number. In general, cheap to transport durable goods (such as electronics) move easily between countries and, hence, are priced similarly (barring taxes and import tariffs). Less cheap to transport (e.g. bricks) or less durable (e.g. fruit) goods move less easily, and labor moves least easily. Consequently, it is way cheaper in poorer countries to have personnel, to pay people for repairing stuff, etc.
emmelaich 9y ago
Huh? That source gives Indonesia about USD4000 and for Netherlands around USD52000 per capita. (I think I misread your comment and others might too, so I'm leaving this here)

blunte 9y ago

With 300 million people compared to 18 million in Netherlands, I'm not sure it's worth mentioning. But if your point is that Indonesia is not to be overlooked, then that is quite true.

bogomipz 9y ago
My point was a response to the parent comment: >"Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking" When in fact fact it does have the resources to build a Delta Works-like system similar to the Netherlands.