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Oracle Sues Google For Patent And Copyright Infringement

21 points by abhisec 16y ago

abhisec 16y ago
This is really awful. Only proves that money drives oracle and not ethics and community. Wonder what's in store for mysql.
- Niten 16y ago
  It's worse than that, it proves that short-term money drives Oracle. What kind of effect do they think this behavior will have on long-term Java vs. .NET/CLR platform adoption?
- tzs 16y ago
  Actually, I wouldn't mind a good threat against MySQL--it would make it easier to convince them at work to consider switching to PostgreSQL.
corruption 16y ago
I think this type of behavior was what everyone feared would happen, but I never really believed they would stoop this low. This may mean that JCP is dead, harmony is doomed and it must be pretty scary for companies heavily invested in Java.
- Niten 16y ago
  This would be like Microsoft suing the Mono team for its C# and CLI implementations, which it has irrevocably promised not to do: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx I was worried when Oracle acquired Sun, but I never thought I'd see them clamp down on Java to the extent that .NET is a significantly more open platform. But there it is.
  - corruption 16y ago
    Well, I think I am wrong on my initial gut reaction, kindly pointed out by wmf. This would be like Microsoft suing RedHat for creating a non-compatible C#-like language and virtual machine.
- wmf 16y ago
  This has nothing to do with the JCP or Harmony. Sun's long-standing policy has been to grant Java licenses to compatible implementations, which Dalvik certainly is not. Also, Sun was only willing to grant free licenses to open-source non-mobile VMs, which again Dalvik is not eligible for.
  - corruption 16y ago
    You are right - my initial gut reaction bested my brain :)
MisterWebz 16y ago
Could the timing they chose have anything to do with the whole deal between Google and Verizon?
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wmf 16y ago
Patents cited in the complaint(http://www.scribd.com/doc/35810897/Oracle-Google-Complaint http://www.scribd.com/doc/35810897/Oracle-Google-Complaint): http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ, http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6192476 http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6... - Does Dalvik even use the Java security model? http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=5GMZAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=5GMZAAAAEBAJ - related to the dex file format http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=U-4UAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=U-4UAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=mEwEAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=mEwEAAAAEBAJ
abhisec 16y ago
I think we can probably expect this from Oracle. I think next on the chopping block would be GWT and then companies who use J2EE.
dannydulai 16y ago
and people thought Java was a safer platform than .NET/Mono !

21 points by abhisec 16y ago

This is really awful. Only proves that money drives oracle and not ethics and community. Wonder what's in store for mysql.

Niten 16y ago
It's worse than that, it proves that short-term money drives Oracle. What kind of effect do they think this behavior will have on long-term Java vs. .NET/CLR platform adoption?
tzs 16y ago
Actually, I wouldn't mind a good threat against MySQL--it would make it easier to convince them at work to consider switching to PostgreSQL.

corruption 16y ago

I think this type of behavior was what everyone feared would happen, but I never really believed they would stoop this low. This may mean that JCP is dead, harmony is doomed and it must be pretty scary for companies heavily invested in Java.

Niten 16y ago
This would be like Microsoft suing the Mono team for its C# and CLI implementations, which it has irrevocably promised not to do: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx I was worried when Oracle acquired Sun, but I never thought I'd see them clamp down on Java to the extent that .NET is a significantly more open platform. But there it is.
- corruption 16y ago
  Well, I think I am wrong on my initial gut reaction, kindly pointed out by wmf. This would be like Microsoft suing RedHat for creating a non-compatible C#-like language and virtual machine.
wmf 16y ago
This has nothing to do with the JCP or Harmony. Sun's long-standing policy has been to grant Java licenses to compatible implementations, which Dalvik certainly is not. Also, Sun was only willing to grant free licenses to open-source non-mobile VMs, which again Dalvik is not eligible for.
- corruption 16y ago
  You are right - my initial gut reaction bested my brain :)

MisterWebz 16y ago

Could the timing they chose have anything to do with the whole deal between Google and Verizon?

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wmf 16y ago

Patents cited in the complaint(http://www.scribd.com/doc/35810897/Oracle-Google-Complaint http://www.scribd.com/doc/35810897/Oracle-Google-Complaint): http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ, http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6192476 http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6... - Does Dalvik even use the Java security model? http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=5GMZAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=5GMZAAAAEBAJ - related to the dex file format http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=U-4UAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=U-4UAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=mEwEAAAAEBAJ http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=mEwEAAAAEBAJ

abhisec 16y ago

I think we can probably expect this from Oracle. I think next on the chopping block would be GWT and then companies who use J2EE.

dannydulai 16y ago

and people thought Java was a safer platform than .NET/Mono !