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At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

143 points by mrjaeger 9y ago

danso 9y ago
Related story from last month: https://www.thedailybeast.com/unsafe-and-just-plain-dirty-women-accuse-vice-of-toxic-sexual-harassment-culture https://www.thedailybeast.com/unsafe-and-just-plain-dirty-wo... One of the interesting parts to come out of that (and from the OP) is VICE's "non-traditional workplace agreement": > New hires at Vice also sign a “Non-Traditional Workplace Agreement,” an infamous internal document that requires employees with no experience at Vice to agree as a condition of employment to not be generally offended by anything that goes on there. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4203989-Non-Traditional-Workplace-Agreement.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4203989-Non-Traditio...
- trhway 9y ago
  > to not be generally offended by anything that goes on there. Is it a one way or two way street at Vice - ie. are you allowed to "offend" in your turn too?
  - pwaai 9y ago
    Seems pretty one way: > One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. So basically the letter the women sign is a license for certain men in a elevated position to assault women. I feel like this kind of shit puts us two steps back, especially when the American president is accused of similar behavior towards woman, now it will give that side another "whatboutism" ammunition. I have a strong nagging feeling that there are bound to be more #metoo stories shortly from Vice. I mean it's so fucking bizarre to have a systematic infrastructure set in place to allow it's higher up members to traumatize defenseless women. If the mainstream media wanted to destroy Vice once and for all, now seems like an appropriate opportunity.
    - dominotw 9y ago
      > If the mainstream media wanted to destroy Vice once and for all, now seems like an appropriate opportunity. So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction.
      - electricEmu 9y ago
        > So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction. I'm not sure what you're angling for, but they're all corporations with market interests. The NYT itsself authored the article. Your comment appears to be reaching pretty hard to throw in that MSM comment.
        jessaustin 9y ago
        Wat? That was a quote of parent. Besides, Vice would have to try pretty hard to get more mainstream than it already is. Is TFA not discussing Matt-Lauer-style remote-kidnapping locks?
      - acheron 9y ago
        That’s been true since Watergate.
- kelukelugames 9y ago
  I've signed something similar at other companies. Talking about sex work at a regular company is inappropriate. But discussing an article your co worker wrote about sex workers is okay because it's your job to cover vices. The agreement protects Vice from being sued for the second scenario, but not the first. Though I've encountered employees who interpret it as "anything goes." People who work on search engines, build family friendly filters, or categorize apps and movies have to deal with porn. But that doesn't mean employees are allowed to watch porn. One story I heard about Bing is that they go to a covered conference room whenever they need to view adult material. A good idea to not expose porn to bystanders.
craftyguy 9y ago
> One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. I have absolutely no idea why someone would think this is OK to do. Generally I can try to piece together how someone might rationalize their behavior but the best I can come up with on this one is: alcohol.
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  Best one I can come up with is: he's a creep.
- kelukelugames 9y ago
  Me too. I've heard the "he grabbed my hand and to put it on his crotch in public" story before. Did people learn this from porn? Was it done in some John Cusack movie? Apparently penis in popcorn is a thing and it's from a movie. https://www.google.com/search?ei=wZs-WoqmLIKOjwO435PoCQ&q=penis+in+popcorn https://www.google.com/search?ei=wZs-WoqmLIKOjwO435PoCQ&q=pe...
  - baron816 9y ago
    Schools should probably start teaching kids how to appropriately make a pass at a girl. Most movies seem to show guys “courageously” lunging in randomly for a kiss. The advice a kid gets from his friend’s older brother is going to be much worse. I’m sure 12 year old boys would appreciate learning how to know if a girl likes them, how to get a girlfriend, how to go in for a kiss, etc. as that’s 97% of what they think about. And doing things the right way early on and seeing success would probably translate well to good behavior later on.
    - craftyguy 9y ago
      I wish this could be taught. But, sadly, given how many religious conservatives are rabidly against teaching children anything about anything that could maybe lead to sex, I can easily see there being a major defense against this because schools are "trying to get young kids to have sex."
BlanketApple 9y ago
I'd heard rumors about this at Vice. Glad to see it getting some air. Stories like this are important, because I think the traditional view of sexual harassment is that it happens at JP Morgan, or Exxon, or "stodgy" old companies. People don't think that it can happen at their cool, hip workplace where everyone's woke. But, power is power. Incidentally, and totally based off of a gut reaction and not data: I wonder if this is the death knell of "company outings." More and more it feels like people are content to let work be work, and avoiding things like holiday parties and after-work gatherings. I wonder if it's partially because of situations like this: You might be inappropriately propositioned. Or, you might have too much to drink and make an inappropriate advance - I don't even mean anything grossly egregious here necessarily, but a superior making an advance on their subordinate is pretty inappropriate even if the advance itself is tame.
- gt_ 9y ago
  > but a superior making an advance on their subordinate is pretty inappropriate even if the advance itself is tame. My thoughts have tended to arrive at the same conclusion. But, this idea seems to be a lot less popular than I'd expect. While the problem might be abuse of power, the popular conversation at the moment, oddly, is not. I wish I understood better why that is. I agree it is helpful that the contradictions (often around cultural image) get air time. I wonder if this kind of thing can lead the popular conversation to a point of discourse that confronts the similarities in so many of the outcries, such as abuse of power.
- torpfactory 9y ago
  I think, in general, that it is totally fine to have company outings, but propositions of any sort should be avoided. You're certainly asking each individual to have self discipline, but in my mind this is a very reasonable expectation. As a rule, everyone should probably avoid relationships at work. If you do decide to have a relationship, do it right and start extremely slowly (i.e. coffee shop date, etc). Feel things out, not up :) and make sure that both people have the same ideas before moving to the next level. Relationships between superiors and subordinates should generally be forbidden.
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provost 9y ago
> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article. > But before the article was published, the magazine changed her response to yes and printed it under the headline, “I Got Laid But Murs Didn’t.” > Mortified, Ms. Hopper hired lawyers. The two sides struck a settlement that, in addition to a payout, required Vice to print a retraction and a formal apology. Wow. I feel so poorly for Ms. Hopper. They defamed her and shamed her, yet a $25,000 settlement likely only paid for her lawyers. Disgusting -- they should feel ashamed.
- pwaai 9y ago
  I hope that she can get the appropriate justice. $25,000 is a pittance compared to the psychological trauma from having to relive the trauma over and over from being discussed. I mean, fuck man, why even become a lawyer if you are going to achieve such poor results? But I guess when you can't afford the same lawyers a large corporation can, its going to be an uphill battle. Especially now when the US courts is trending towards less class action lawsuits. When all goes wrong you are supposed to be able to count on the law. Seems like a pretty big asterisk is needed there.
  - nyolfen 9y ago
    humiliation surely, but 'trauma' sounds like a truly extreme stretch
  - lemagedurage 9y ago
    If you donate $25K to the EFF, HN can tell everyone I agreed on sex. Odd, isn't it?
- gt_ 9y ago
  Disgusting. I hate how easy it is for me to remember this culture in that time. I did not readily realize it but Shock was the name of the game. The original hipster was a coked out liar who spoke in what we now call youtube comments. At the time, it was shocking and cool. Working in these environments was very awkward for me and I couldn’t imagine what it was like for females. I was driven by the intellectual and creative bent but had to face the reality that it was was far from that. It was a culture that favored shock over honesty and this the story exemplifies it well. I do not understand, however, how the settlement turned out so poorly for her. I would guess it’s just a matter of affording good attorneys?
pwaai 9y ago
The co-founder of Vice started a alt-right white boy club[1], which was pretty shocking to be honest. It did make me stop watching Vice & Vice News altogether. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes
- dominotw 9y ago
  I think they've done a 180 since he left though.
- eropple 9y ago
  McInnes is a racist, misogynistic shitheel for sure, but he also left in 2008. Since, Vice has become an outlet that does objectively good stuff with its reporting and its specialist media--I love Waypoint, I have a friend there whose moral compass is beyond reproach as far as I am concerned, and I have zero doubt that that friend wouldn't be there if they weren't convinced of the place. Near as I can tell, Vice is an outlet that escaped its asshole founder and gone past his goals. Should probably be commended for that (while at the same time expected to clean house when confronted with meritorious allegations).
  - michaelbuckbee 9y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted. Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro. It is a good question though: how long do you hold an organization responsible for someone or for their collective actions?
    - malvosenior 9y ago
      > Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro. What does being left wing or right wing have to do with anything? We’re talking about sexual harassment, not politics. The majority if the recent high profile cases have been democrats doing the harassment btw.
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bogomipz 9y ago
Yesterday's "The Vice Guide to Right Now" podcast was about sexual harassment in the restaurant industry[1] Hypocrites. [1] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59w3q3/sexual-harassment-in-the-food-industry https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59w3q3/sexual-harassment-...
- Fricken 9y ago
  Vice has different people saying and doing different things. It's not a monolithic entity. I'm not sure what might've given you the impression that is.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    The entity is vice.com, not Viceland the cable channel, not Vice Magazine, not Vice News or Vice Films but vice.com the website. Now look at how many articles on sexual harassment vice.com the website has published recently: https://www.vice.com/en_us/topic/sexual-harassment https://www.vice.com/en_us/topic/sexual-harassment And yes someone has editorial control of vice.com.
ucaetano 9y ago
Straight from 2004: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5 "The VICE Guide to Partying Here are some of the types you'll need to invite. TRANSSEXUAL: Pre-op is good, but post–breast implants, pre–gender reassignment is PERFECTION. All transsexuals are slutty, so don't worry about that. This guest is a very high priority and should be catered to accordingly. Put her first in the queue for cocaine and drinks. Tell her how pretty she is. Touch her a lot. GUY WHO WILL FUCK TRANSSEXUAL: He is your #2 guy, your party wingman. If the tranny doesn't feel loved, she will leave. Then you're fucked. If you don't have a tranny chaser in your six-degrees network, I have one word for you: craigslist.com. We posted there for this party ("Guy wanted to fuck tranny in ass") and had 20 respondents within an hour. I picked this particular man because he has the biggest ring through his cockhead that I have ever seen. WANTON DRUNK SLUT: This is a surprisingly tough one to find. Once you get a reliable drunk slut in your life, someone who will shed her clothes and let a room full of people write on her with indelible markers at the drop of a hat, hold onto her like a dinghy in the perfect storm. She is a true party staple and will prove again and again the fact that nudity at a party is as contagious as the bird flu. Just as the night begins, give her (and only her) a handful of shrooms." Yep, that's Vice. The current progressive, cutting-edge image is just makeup.
- nugi 9y ago
  And even that is tame compared to their earlier stuff. Its weird how they flipped from underground rocknroll to liberal party line. Or is it.
- frankzinger 9y ago
  Wow, that article only gets worse. It's actually weird that one of the takeaways of the top-level article is that people were surprised to find sexual harassment/assault at a "young, hip" company like Vice. But looking at this kind of content one has to expect it to be much worse at Vice than at "traditional, old-school" companies.
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xir78 9y ago
I recall an episode about Lady Boys in Thailand, where at the end Shane signs off by essentially says he’s going to have sex with a male prostitute. That seemed more “wrong crowd” than just “edgy” to me.
ringaroundthetx 9y ago
I dont think these expose’s and #metoo campaigns are going to have the effect that they are going for. These things are merely exposing consequences (or lack thereof) I think it is more likely that gender exclusive clubs will become more in vogue again, where they simply bus in the people willing to be objectified Unfortunately There is nothing about this that is curbing behavior or desires, it is only showing the folly of gender diversity in the workplace. The additional liability incurred Im not endorsing these observations, I and almost everyone will publicly say this is wrong, upvote how heinous people in power can be, but what I perceive of peoples desires are unchanged.
- noobermin 9y ago
  I'll bite even though I shouldn't. What do you mean by the "folly of gender diversity in the workplace?"
  - ringaroundthetx 9y ago
    The additional liability incurred, as I wrote
1337biz 9y ago
I am baffled by the outrage. Isn't Vice known to be an edgy, drugy and boundary bending outlet? Are we seriously pretending to be suprised that drugged up late teens are doing sick stuff. Or what am I missing here?
- saas_co_de 9y ago
  just because d-bag is your "image" doesn't make you immune from sexual harassment laws.
  - 1337biz 9y ago
    I am not criticizing the laws. What I have issues with is the fake outrage. It seems so hypocritical to me acting suprised about this situation. For me it is on the same level than breaking the news that rock stars are taking drugs and having sex with girls half their age. Sure, it is illegal and for some morally problematic, but pretending this is a scandal is beyond ridiculous.

143 points by mrjaeger 9y ago

Related story from last month: https://www.thedailybeast.com/unsafe-and-just-plain-dirty-women-accuse-vice-of-toxic-sexual-harassment-culture https://www.thedailybeast.com/unsafe-and-just-plain-dirty-wo... One of the interesting parts to come out of that (and from the OP) is VICE's "non-traditional workplace agreement": > New hires at Vice also sign a “Non-Traditional Workplace Agreement,” an infamous internal document that requires employees with no experience at Vice to agree as a condition of employment to not be generally offended by anything that goes on there. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4203989-Non-Traditional-Workplace-Agreement.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4203989-Non-Traditio...

trhway 9y ago
> to not be generally offended by anything that goes on there. Is it a one way or two way street at Vice - ie. are you allowed to "offend" in your turn too?
- pwaai 9y ago
  Seems pretty one way: > One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. So basically the letter the women sign is a license for certain men in a elevated position to assault women. I feel like this kind of shit puts us two steps back, especially when the American president is accused of similar behavior towards woman, now it will give that side another "whatboutism" ammunition. I have a strong nagging feeling that there are bound to be more #metoo stories shortly from Vice. I mean it's so fucking bizarre to have a systematic infrastructure set in place to allow it's higher up members to traumatize defenseless women. If the mainstream media wanted to destroy Vice once and for all, now seems like an appropriate opportunity.
  - dominotw 9y ago
    > If the mainstream media wanted to destroy Vice once and for all, now seems like an appropriate opportunity. So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction.
    - electricEmu 9y ago
      > So I guess its well accepted now that "mainstream media" is not merely there to report what is going on but have active agendas to shape the world according to their wishes. It a weapon of destruction. I'm not sure what you're angling for, but they're all corporations with market interests. The NYT itsself authored the article. Your comment appears to be reaching pretty hard to throw in that MSM comment.
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        Wat? That was a quote of parent. Besides, Vice would have to try pretty hard to get more mainstream than it already is. Is TFA not discussing Matt-Lauer-style remote-kidnapping locks?
    - acheron 9y ago
      That’s been true since Watergate.
kelukelugames 9y ago
I've signed something similar at other companies. Talking about sex work at a regular company is inappropriate. But discussing an article your co worker wrote about sex workers is okay because it's your job to cover vices. The agreement protects Vice from being sued for the second scenario, but not the first. Though I've encountered employees who interpret it as "anything goes." People who work on search engines, build family friendly filters, or categorize apps and movies have to deal with porn. But that doesn't mean employees are allowed to watch porn. One story I heard about Bing is that they go to a covered conference room whenever they need to view adult material. A good idea to not expose porn to bystanders.

craftyguy 9y ago

> One woman said she was riding a Ferris wheel at Coney Island after a company event when a co-worker suddenly took her hand and put it on his crotch. I have absolutely no idea why someone would think this is OK to do. Generally I can try to piece together how someone might rationalize their behavior but the best I can come up with on this one is: alcohol.

madeofpalk 9y ago
Best one I can come up with is: he's a creep.
kelukelugames 9y ago
Me too. I've heard the "he grabbed my hand and to put it on his crotch in public" story before. Did people learn this from porn? Was it done in some John Cusack movie? Apparently penis in popcorn is a thing and it's from a movie. https://www.google.com/search?ei=wZs-WoqmLIKOjwO435PoCQ&q=penis+in+popcorn https://www.google.com/search?ei=wZs-WoqmLIKOjwO435PoCQ&q=pe...
- baron816 9y ago
  Schools should probably start teaching kids how to appropriately make a pass at a girl. Most movies seem to show guys “courageously” lunging in randomly for a kiss. The advice a kid gets from his friend’s older brother is going to be much worse. I’m sure 12 year old boys would appreciate learning how to know if a girl likes them, how to get a girlfriend, how to go in for a kiss, etc. as that’s 97% of what they think about. And doing things the right way early on and seeing success would probably translate well to good behavior later on.
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    I wish this could be taught. But, sadly, given how many religious conservatives are rabidly against teaching children anything about anything that could maybe lead to sex, I can easily see there being a major defense against this because schools are "trying to get young kids to have sex."

BlanketApple 9y ago

I'd heard rumors about this at Vice. Glad to see it getting some air. Stories like this are important, because I think the traditional view of sexual harassment is that it happens at JP Morgan, or Exxon, or "stodgy" old companies. People don't think that it can happen at their cool, hip workplace where everyone's woke. But, power is power. Incidentally, and totally based off of a gut reaction and not data: I wonder if this is the death knell of "company outings." More and more it feels like people are content to let work be work, and avoiding things like holiday parties and after-work gatherings. I wonder if it's partially because of situations like this: You might be inappropriately propositioned. Or, you might have too much to drink and make an inappropriate advance - I don't even mean anything grossly egregious here necessarily, but a superior making an advance on their subordinate is pretty inappropriate even if the advance itself is tame.

gt_ 9y ago
> but a superior making an advance on their subordinate is pretty inappropriate even if the advance itself is tame. My thoughts have tended to arrive at the same conclusion. But, this idea seems to be a lot less popular than I'd expect. While the problem might be abuse of power, the popular conversation at the moment, oddly, is not. I wish I understood better why that is. I agree it is helpful that the contradictions (often around cultural image) get air time. I wonder if this kind of thing can lead the popular conversation to a point of discourse that confronts the similarities in so many of the outcries, such as abuse of power.
torpfactory 9y ago
I think, in general, that it is totally fine to have company outings, but propositions of any sort should be avoided. You're certainly asking each individual to have self discipline, but in my mind this is a very reasonable expectation. As a rule, everyone should probably avoid relationships at work. If you do decide to have a relationship, do it right and start extremely slowly (i.e. coffee shop date, etc). Feel things out, not up :) and make sure that both people have the same ideas before moving to the next level. Relationships between superiors and subordinates should generally be forbidden.
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provost 9y ago

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article. > But before the article was published, the magazine changed her response to yes and printed it under the headline, “I Got Laid But Murs Didn’t.” > Mortified, Ms. Hopper hired lawyers. The two sides struck a settlement that, in addition to a payout, required Vice to print a retraction and a formal apology. Wow. I feel so poorly for Ms. Hopper. They defamed her and shamed her, yet a $25,000 settlement likely only paid for her lawyers. Disgusting -- they should feel ashamed.

pwaai 9y ago
I hope that she can get the appropriate justice. $25,000 is a pittance compared to the psychological trauma from having to relive the trauma over and over from being discussed. I mean, fuck man, why even become a lawyer if you are going to achieve such poor results? But I guess when you can't afford the same lawyers a large corporation can, its going to be an uphill battle. Especially now when the US courts is trending towards less class action lawsuits. When all goes wrong you are supposed to be able to count on the law. Seems like a pretty big asterisk is needed there.
- nyolfen 9y ago
  humiliation surely, but 'trauma' sounds like a truly extreme stretch
- lemagedurage 9y ago
  If you donate $25K to the EFF, HN can tell everyone I agreed on sex. Odd, isn't it?
gt_ 9y ago
Disgusting. I hate how easy it is for me to remember this culture in that time. I did not readily realize it but Shock was the name of the game. The original hipster was a coked out liar who spoke in what we now call youtube comments. At the time, it was shocking and cool. Working in these environments was very awkward for me and I couldn’t imagine what it was like for females. I was driven by the intellectual and creative bent but had to face the reality that it was was far from that. It was a culture that favored shock over honesty and this the story exemplifies it well. I do not understand, however, how the settlement turned out so poorly for her. I would guess it’s just a matter of affording good attorneys?

pwaai 9y ago

The co-founder of Vice started a alt-right white boy club[1], which was pretty shocking to be honest. It did make me stop watching Vice & Vice News altogether. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes

dominotw 9y ago
I think they've done a 180 since he left though.
eropple 9y ago
McInnes is a racist, misogynistic shitheel for sure, but he also left in 2008. Since, Vice has become an outlet that does objectively good stuff with its reporting and its specialist media--I love Waypoint, I have a friend there whose moral compass is beyond reproach as far as I am concerned, and I have zero doubt that that friend wouldn't be there if they weren't convinced of the place. Near as I can tell, Vice is an outlet that escaped its asshole founder and gone past his goals. Should probably be commended for that (while at the same time expected to clean house when confronted with meritorious allegations).
- michaelbuckbee 9y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted. Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro. It is a good question though: how long do you hold an organization responsible for someone or for their collective actions?
  - malvosenior 9y ago
    > Austin Walker (current editor in chief for Waypoint - Vice's Video Games site) is the walking antithesis of an alt-right bro. What does being left wing or right wing have to do with anything? We’re talking about sexual harassment, not politics. The majority if the recent high profile cases have been democrats doing the harassment btw.

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bogomipz 9y ago

Yesterday's "The Vice Guide to Right Now" podcast was about sexual harassment in the restaurant industry[1] Hypocrites. [1] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59w3q3/sexual-harassment-in-the-food-industry https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59w3q3/sexual-harassment-...

Fricken 9y ago
Vice has different people saying and doing different things. It's not a monolithic entity. I'm not sure what might've given you the impression that is.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  The entity is vice.com, not Viceland the cable channel, not Vice Magazine, not Vice News or Vice Films but vice.com the website. Now look at how many articles on sexual harassment vice.com the website has published recently: https://www.vice.com/en_us/topic/sexual-harassment https://www.vice.com/en_us/topic/sexual-harassment And yes someone has editorial control of vice.com.

ucaetano 9y ago

Straight from 2004: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av759j/the-vice-v11n5 "The VICE Guide to Partying Here are some of the types you'll need to invite. TRANSSEXUAL: Pre-op is good, but post–breast implants, pre–gender reassignment is PERFECTION. All transsexuals are slutty, so don't worry about that. This guest is a very high priority and should be catered to accordingly. Put her first in the queue for cocaine and drinks. Tell her how pretty she is. Touch her a lot. GUY WHO WILL FUCK TRANSSEXUAL: He is your #2 guy, your party wingman. If the tranny doesn't feel loved, she will leave. Then you're fucked. If you don't have a tranny chaser in your six-degrees network, I have one word for you: craigslist.com. We posted there for this party ("Guy wanted to fuck tranny in ass") and had 20 respondents within an hour. I picked this particular man because he has the biggest ring through his cockhead that I have ever seen. WANTON DRUNK SLUT: This is a surprisingly tough one to find. Once you get a reliable drunk slut in your life, someone who will shed her clothes and let a room full of people write on her with indelible markers at the drop of a hat, hold onto her like a dinghy in the perfect storm. She is a true party staple and will prove again and again the fact that nudity at a party is as contagious as the bird flu. Just as the night begins, give her (and only her) a handful of shrooms." Yep, that's Vice. The current progressive, cutting-edge image is just makeup.

nugi 9y ago
And even that is tame compared to their earlier stuff. Its weird how they flipped from underground rocknroll to liberal party line. Or is it.
frankzinger 9y ago
Wow, that article only gets worse. It's actually weird that one of the takeaways of the top-level article is that people were surprised to find sexual harassment/assault at a "young, hip" company like Vice. But looking at this kind of content one has to expect it to be much worse at Vice than at "traditional, old-school" companies.

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xir78 9y ago

I recall an episode about Lady Boys in Thailand, where at the end Shane signs off by essentially says he’s going to have sex with a male prostitute. That seemed more “wrong crowd” than just “edgy” to me.

ringaroundthetx 9y ago

I dont think these expose’s and #metoo campaigns are going to have the effect that they are going for. These things are merely exposing consequences (or lack thereof) I think it is more likely that gender exclusive clubs will become more in vogue again, where they simply bus in the people willing to be objectified Unfortunately There is nothing about this that is curbing behavior or desires, it is only showing the folly of gender diversity in the workplace. The additional liability incurred Im not endorsing these observations, I and almost everyone will publicly say this is wrong, upvote how heinous people in power can be, but what I perceive of peoples desires are unchanged.

noobermin 9y ago
I'll bite even though I shouldn't. What do you mean by the "folly of gender diversity in the workplace?"
- ringaroundthetx 9y ago
  The additional liability incurred, as I wrote

1337biz 9y ago

I am baffled by the outrage. Isn't Vice known to be an edgy, drugy and boundary bending outlet? Are we seriously pretending to be suprised that drugged up late teens are doing sick stuff. Or what am I missing here?

saas_co_de 9y ago
just because d-bag is your "image" doesn't make you immune from sexual harassment laws.
- 1337biz 9y ago
  I am not criticizing the laws. What I have issues with is the fake outrage. It seems so hypocritical to me acting suprised about this situation. For me it is on the same level than breaking the news that rock stars are taking drugs and having sex with girls half their age. Sure, it is illegal and for some morally problematic, but pretending this is a scandal is beyond ridiculous.