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This is by a wide margin the most bourgeois shit I've heard on here apart from the constant cryptocurrency posts. "Make disgusting amounts of money by doing not

This is by a wide margin the most bourgeois shit I've heard on here apart from the constant cryptocurrency posts. "Make disgusting amounts of money by doing nothing instead of your actual job!"

learc83 9y ago
This post is just about how to actually extract a percentage of the value you actually provide to a company. You actually have to provide that value in the first place. At no point does he mention "doing nothing".
fiatpandas 9y ago
You’ll probably find your comment downvoted because you expressed yourself using language which isn’t kosher in the HN community, and you aren’t praising the writing of HNs most well known and well liked member, but I generally agree with your sentiment. I felt gross and kind of disappointed while reading the article. I need more time to think deeply about why that is and communicate it in an effective way.
- putnam 9y ago
  Let us know when you arrive at your conclusion
- Xc43 9y ago
  ... Welcome to life? If you want to be sheltered, work for someone who will value your work and reward you accordingly. Otherwise, prepare to deal with the cold truth that many businesses are out there for themselves exclusively.
- valuearb 9y ago
  You feel the worker should give more of their value to the employer for free?
- walshemj 9y ago
  This is the sort of naivety that Robert Tressell exposed in The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists. You need to be a bit more woke mate
infinity0 9y ago
I think there's lots of useful things to learn from the article, though I do agree that this: > A necessary collorary to this: the principals of a technical consultancy do very well for themselves. I don't know if that is a secret but it certainly isn't well appreciated: nobody says Occupy Boutique Rails Consultancies, but the principals of them do end up in the 1%. is not great for society and I'm highly skeptical that it's necessary. However I can see that it would be hard to do things differently - This type of high-level admin stuff is a simple way to make an organisation efficient, and it's unclear how best to achieve the same level of efficiency whilst simultaneously not allowing the principals the power to centralise reward to themselves as well.
- putnam 9y ago
  What would be the solution you would propose?
  - infinity0 9y ago
    I dunno. In principle it's easy to automate the financial stuff but the social stuff wouldn't be automatable and distributing the reward properly is hard there. If a few people are good at communicating they might be tempted to believe that they are the ones bringing in the value, dropping the morale of the engineers doing the concrete work that is the foundation of the value being brought in.
    - putnam 9y ago
      Could you explain that to me like I am dumb? How does it relate to consulting?
- opencl 9y ago
  >unclear how best to achieve the same level of efficiency whilst simultaneously not allowing the principals the power to centralise reward to themselves as well Everyone does literally the exact same thing but you add profit sharing to the consultancy. As the article said "Clients Pay For Value, Not For Time." Unless the principals are somehow actually providing the overwhelming share of the value rather than the people doing the work.
mikeokner 9y ago
> Thomas: I got at least $15,000 of value out of this conversation. How is literally providing tens of thousands of dollars of value "doing nothing?" That's far more productive than your average web developer quibbling over how many pixels wide to make a button.
Xc43 9y ago
What is negative about bourgeois?

This is by a wide margin the most bourgeois shit I've heard on here apart from the constant cryptocurrency posts. "Make disgusting amounts of money by doing nothing instead of your actual job!"

learc83 9y ago

This post is just about how to actually extract a percentage of the value you actually provide to a company. You actually have to provide that value in the first place. At no point does he mention "doing nothing".

fiatpandas 9y ago

You’ll probably find your comment downvoted because you expressed yourself using language which isn’t kosher in the HN community, and you aren’t praising the writing of HNs most well known and well liked member, but I generally agree with your sentiment. I felt gross and kind of disappointed while reading the article. I need more time to think deeply about why that is and communicate it in an effective way.

putnam 9y ago
Let us know when you arrive at your conclusion
Xc43 9y ago
... Welcome to life? If you want to be sheltered, work for someone who will value your work and reward you accordingly. Otherwise, prepare to deal with the cold truth that many businesses are out there for themselves exclusively.
valuearb 9y ago
You feel the worker should give more of their value to the employer for free?
walshemj 9y ago
This is the sort of naivety that Robert Tressell exposed in The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists. You need to be a bit more woke mate

infinity0 9y ago

I think there's lots of useful things to learn from the article, though I do agree that this: > A necessary collorary to this: the principals of a technical consultancy do very well for themselves. I don't know if that is a secret but it certainly isn't well appreciated: nobody says Occupy Boutique Rails Consultancies, but the principals of them do end up in the 1%. is not great for society and I'm highly skeptical that it's necessary. However I can see that it would be hard to do things differently - This type of high-level admin stuff is a simple way to make an organisation efficient, and it's unclear how best to achieve the same level of efficiency whilst simultaneously not allowing the principals the power to centralise reward to themselves as well.

putnam 9y ago
What would be the solution you would propose?
- infinity0 9y ago
  I dunno. In principle it's easy to automate the financial stuff but the social stuff wouldn't be automatable and distributing the reward properly is hard there. If a few people are good at communicating they might be tempted to believe that they are the ones bringing in the value, dropping the morale of the engineers doing the concrete work that is the foundation of the value being brought in.
  - putnam 9y ago
    Could you explain that to me like I am dumb? How does it relate to consulting?
opencl 9y ago
>unclear how best to achieve the same level of efficiency whilst simultaneously not allowing the principals the power to centralise reward to themselves as well Everyone does literally the exact same thing but you add profit sharing to the consultancy. As the article said "Clients Pay For Value, Not For Time." Unless the principals are somehow actually providing the overwhelming share of the value rather than the people doing the work.

mikeokner 9y ago

> Thomas: I got at least $15,000 of value out of this conversation. How is literally providing tens of thousands of dollars of value "doing nothing?" That's far more productive than your average web developer quibbling over how many pixels wide to make a button.

Xc43 9y ago

What is negative about bourgeois?