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> The problem overwhelmingly and vastly disproportionately affects women. Any proof of that? > Focusing mostly on women ... would solve most of the problem A

> The problem overwhelmingly and vastly disproportionately affects women. Any proof of that? > Focusing mostly on women ... would solve most of the problem Any proof of that? Everything you wrote is simply sexist to the core. Why does there need to be a focus on a specific gender to address a problem?

ben_w 9y ago
> Why does there need to be a focus on a specific gender to address a problem? Because everything is broken and we are mere mortals with limited attention and ability to improve the world and shortcuts are always tempting. This particular problem probably varies by nation, but it is only bad to stereotype like this when you either assume that the partial solution is a total solution, or when your perspective fails and you cause more harm than good with your solution. Both of those failure modes happen. Yet, all the evidence I have seen says men are more likely to harass than women are. Same effort should provide a greater benefit by focusing on male harassment… except that this is online, so “does this text look harassing?” is probably how this should be handled specifically by OKC, but now I’m definitely guessing.
DanBC 9y ago
It's baffling to me when you keep denying the reality of sexual violence: the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. The victims are mostly female. When we look at online harassment we see more male than female perpetrators, and more female than male victims, especially when we look at the most serious offences. No one credible disputes these figures.
- belorn 9y ago
  For sexual violence most victims are female, but it is not the complete picture. For violence, most victims are male, with proportions similar to that of sexual violence for women but with an total higher occurrence rate. If we go closer to crimes that happens online, here is some exact numbers for related crimes (using Swedish data): Threat of violence: 5.3%M 5.9%F. Harassment: 4.8% M 6.1% F. Stalking: Of the total, 75% F, 25% M. But we can also go deeper. Reported death threats directed at men are 700% more common than threats of sexual violence directed at women (2015). Death threats is the single most common reported type of threat, covering 39% of all reports. The most common reported threat directed at women is to unlawful publish photos, 10% of all reported cases. Practically all threat directed at men or women was made online or via SMS. The report notes that men is more likely to receive threats from strangers, while women are more likely to receive threats from past sexual relationships (40%). Online harassment is complex, and Scandinavian countries has a strong reputation in social science of having large and good data. https://www.bra.se/download/18.5e2a4a6b14ab166759985c/1422612591546/2015_6_Polisanm%C3%A4lda+hot+och+kr%C3%A4nkningar+mot+enskilda+personer+via+internet.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.5e2a4a6b14ab166759985c/142261...

ben_w 9y ago

> Why does there need to be a focus on a specific gender to address a problem? Because everything is broken and we are mere mortals with limited attention and ability to improve the world and shortcuts are always tempting. This particular problem probably varies by nation, but it is only bad to stereotype like this when you either assume that the partial solution is a total solution, or when your perspective fails and you cause more harm than good with your solution. Both of those failure modes happen. Yet, all the evidence I have seen says men are more likely to harass than women are. Same effort should provide a greater benefit by focusing on male harassment… except that this is online, so “does this text look harassing?” is probably how this should be handled specifically by OKC, but now I’m definitely guessing.

DanBC 9y ago

It's baffling to me when you keep denying the reality of sexual violence: the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. The victims are mostly female. When we look at online harassment we see more male than female perpetrators, and more female than male victims, especially when we look at the most serious offences. No one credible disputes these figures.

belorn 9y ago
For sexual violence most victims are female, but it is not the complete picture. For violence, most victims are male, with proportions similar to that of sexual violence for women but with an total higher occurrence rate. If we go closer to crimes that happens online, here is some exact numbers for related crimes (using Swedish data): Threat of violence: 5.3%M 5.9%F. Harassment: 4.8% M 6.1% F. Stalking: Of the total, 75% F, 25% M. But we can also go deeper. Reported death threats directed at men are 700% more common than threats of sexual violence directed at women (2015). Death threats is the single most common reported type of threat, covering 39% of all reports. The most common reported threat directed at women is to unlawful publish photos, 10% of all reported cases. Practically all threat directed at men or women was made online or via SMS. The report notes that men is more likely to receive threats from strangers, while women are more likely to receive threats from past sexual relationships (40%). Online harassment is complex, and Scandinavian countries has a strong reputation in social science of having large and good data. https://www.bra.se/download/18.5e2a4a6b14ab166759985c/1422612591546/2015_6_Polisanm%C3%A4lda+hot+och+kr%C3%A4nkningar+mot+enskilda+personer+via+internet.pdf https://www.bra.se/download/18.5e2a4a6b14ab166759985c/142261...