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Also required: potential employers have to supply a pay range for the position if requested.

conanbatt 9y ago
"1U$S-2U$S" If I were to abide by a policy that tries to force the situation, I would force all salaries and compensations to be public, and to hell with it. These policies have unmeasurable effects.
- chc 9y ago
  If someone would throw a hissy fit and set a salary range at which they cannot legally hire anyone because now applicants have a little bit more negotiating power, it's hard to believe they're in a position to do that in the first place, because the new rules will not be anywhere near the biggest annoyance in the hiring process.
  - conanbatt 9y ago
    > because the new rules will not be anywhere near the biggest annoyance in the hiring process. Its either ineffectual, or its easy to skirt. Its a meaningless idea that now will turn one more human behavior into a crime.
SamReidHughes 9y ago
This means as an applicant, if you ask for a salary range, you're creating a legal compulsion on them to give you one. This is an act of aggression and immoral. First you should ask if they would have been willing to give a salary range if asked and if it wasn't legally required. Then, only if they say yes, is it moral to ask for the salary range.
- perl4ever 9y ago
  If that's an act of aggression and thus immoral, what is it when an online job application form requires you to enter your salary expectation before submitting (outside California)?
  - SamReidHughes 9y ago
    You don't have to answer it. You're free to leave that field blank or not apply for the job.
    - perl4ever 9y ago
      Well, I'm supposing that the form cannot be submitted with a blank field or textual comment, because it's programmed that way. Assuming that, is it then aggression/immoral?
      - SamReidHughes 9y ago
        I already covered that case.
        perl4ever 9y ago
        I don't exactly see the relationship you may, between being free to disengage from a situation and being (or not being) aggressed against. It seems like you think they are related in a certain way you didn't make explicit. Are they mutually exclusive to you?
        SamReidHughes 9y ago
        The employer is not free to disengage from the situation. They still have to tell the applicant. (Edit: and if they were free to cut off contact, it's still an imposition on them by the state that you're participating in.)
    - derekp7 9y ago
      And if an employer doesn't want to provide a salary range, they are free not to hire any candidates. The same sauce is equally tasty for both the goose and the gander.
      - SamReidHughes 9y ago

"1U$S-2U$S" If I were to abide by a policy that tries to force the situation, I would force all salaries and compensations to be public, and to hell with it. These policies have unmeasurable effects.

chc 9y ago
If someone would throw a hissy fit and set a salary range at which they cannot legally hire anyone because now applicants have a little bit more negotiating power, it's hard to believe they're in a position to do that in the first place, because the new rules will not be anywhere near the biggest annoyance in the hiring process.
- conanbatt 9y ago
  > because the new rules will not be anywhere near the biggest annoyance in the hiring process. Its either ineffectual, or its easy to skirt. Its a meaningless idea that now will turn one more human behavior into a crime.

SamReidHughes 9y ago

This means as an applicant, if you ask for a salary range, you're creating a legal compulsion on them to give you one. This is an act of aggression and immoral. First you should ask if they would have been willing to give a salary range if asked and if it wasn't legally required. Then, only if they say yes, is it moral to ask for the salary range.

perl4ever 9y ago
If that's an act of aggression and thus immoral, what is it when an online job application form requires you to enter your salary expectation before submitting (outside California)?
- SamReidHughes 9y ago
  You don't have to answer it. You're free to leave that field blank or not apply for the job.
  - perl4ever 9y ago
    Well, I'm supposing that the form cannot be submitted with a blank field or textual comment, because it's programmed that way. Assuming that, is it then aggression/immoral?
    - SamReidHughes 9y ago
      I already covered that case.
      - perl4ever 9y ago
        I don't exactly see the relationship you may, between being free to disengage from a situation and being (or not being) aggressed against. It seems like you think they are related in a certain way you didn't make explicit. Are they mutually exclusive to you?
        SamReidHughes 9y ago
        The employer is not free to disengage from the situation. They still have to tell the applicant. (Edit: and if they were free to cut off contact, it's still an imposition on them by the state that you're participating in.)
  - derekp7 9y ago
    And if an employer doesn't want to provide a salary range, they are free not to hire any candidates. The same sauce is equally tasty for both the goose and the gander.
    - SamReidHughes 9y ago