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> It's also the same experience every single time you use a Windows machine. Recently I helped a small company migrate their PCs from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

> It's also the same experience every single time you use a Windows machine. Recently I helped a small company migrate their PCs from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Trust me, it is not the same experience at all for the end users. They (the users) will get used to the new interface and way of interacting with the OS not because it is more intuitive but because they will use it and gain experience with it.

Spivak 9y ago
I think the mistake is assuming that software can be intuitive. I think the correct model is that it's more like language. You memorize a few fundamental concepts and then you amass a catalog of rote steps for accomplishing your goals. Then there will be a moment where it all clicks and you realize you're fluent enough for your purposes and can understand the unfamiliar in the context of what you already know. Going from Windows 7 -> 10 is like going from English to Scottish. The grammar is mostly the same but a lot of the words and phrases are different.
cm2187 9y ago
I will never get used to have ads being displayed in the OS or to have random junk apps appearing in my start menu every couple of months. Microsoft sabotaged their main platform. It would have a major opportunity for other OS.
- navjack27 9y ago
  That actually doesn't happen. You make it sound like there are straight up random ads. You install Windows 10 and there are shortcuts to popular Windows store apps that you can right click and remove. Not any different than installing, it was either Fedora or Debian, I think Fedora, and getting 'ads' for apps.
  - bwat48 9y ago
    It's still pretty annoying though. And even if you disable those ads in the settings, it seems like the preference randomly gets switched back on every other time you update windows It's been a few releases since I used fedora, but I don't recall ever seeing any kind of ads in the apps menu... and the vast majority of linux distros don't have any of that kind of garbage
  - kasabali 9y ago
    Yeah not straight up random ads, just promotions for random apps, auto installing some random games, random promotions in notification area and then OneDrive and Office 365 ads in File Explorer. Totally and honestly like in Debian and Fedora I swear. - https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window...

Spivak 9y ago

I think the mistake is assuming that software can be intuitive. I think the correct model is that it's more like language. You memorize a few fundamental concepts and then you amass a catalog of rote steps for accomplishing your goals. Then there will be a moment where it all clicks and you realize you're fluent enough for your purposes and can understand the unfamiliar in the context of what you already know. Going from Windows 7 -> 10 is like going from English to Scottish. The grammar is mostly the same but a lot of the words and phrases are different.

cm2187 9y ago

I will never get used to have ads being displayed in the OS or to have random junk apps appearing in my start menu every couple of months. Microsoft sabotaged their main platform. It would have a major opportunity for other OS.

navjack27 9y ago
That actually doesn't happen. You make it sound like there are straight up random ads. You install Windows 10 and there are shortcuts to popular Windows store apps that you can right click and remove. Not any different than installing, it was either Fedora or Debian, I think Fedora, and getting 'ads' for apps.
- bwat48 9y ago
  It's still pretty annoying though. And even if you disable those ads in the settings, it seems like the preference randomly gets switched back on every other time you update windows It's been a few releases since I used fedora, but I don't recall ever seeing any kind of ads in the apps menu... and the vast majority of linux distros don't have any of that kind of garbage
- kasabali 9y ago
  Yeah not straight up random ads, just promotions for random apps, auto installing some random games, random promotions in notification area and then OneDrive and Office 365 ads in File Explorer. Totally and honestly like in Debian and Fedora I swear. - https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-file-explorer https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window...