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You're jumping the gun and assuming it's artificial. You may have a case for intelligent, but you haven't established that it's artificial, so you can't claim

by qbrass 9y ago

You're jumping the gun and assuming it's artificial. You may have a case for intelligent, but you haven't established that it's artificial, so you can't claim it's a project, either.

nyc111 9y ago
You have a point. But "artificial" has many meanings. This one, "contrived by art rather than nature" seems to fit. But this implies that nature is stupid. But we know that nature is intelligent. "By art" implies "by intelligence". "By nature" implies "without intelligence."
- tobylane 9y ago
  Do we know that nature is smart? Evolution is achieved by trying out whatever random ideas can be expressed by a gene flip and seeing which one creates more sex. That's not smart, and nature doesn't do much better than evolution.
  - nyc111 9y ago
    We know that nature is not smart. We are not talking about nature but specific living organisms in nature. All types of life forms make intelligent decisions. Humans are trying to design and produce machines that can make such intelligent decisions on their own. The problem is to write algorithms that evaluate data it receives from the sensors and make the correct decision. The intelligent part is in writing such algorithms that know what to do in unexpected situations and can make the right decisions under new situtions and learn from new situations. So two main signifiers of intelligence are 1. making decisions on its own and 2. learning from new situations. Evolution is an academic buzzword that has so many meanings that it has become meaningless. I avoid using that word. Introducing the word "evolution" to any discussion only leads to discussions about the meaning of the word evolution. Can we investigate my original question without using the word evolution? Yes we can. You say that "nature doesn't do much better than evolution". We now know that the fundamental process nature uses to create new types of organisms is siymbiosis. Different organisms agree to live together and form a new organism.
nyc111 9y ago
What is "artificial" for you?
nyc111 9y ago
Artificial means man-made. Intelligent in this context simply means "that which can make good decisions on its own." So artificial intelligence is really designing and building self-suficient machines that can make good decisions on their own without the help of an outside decision maker. This way we eliminated not-well-defined words "intelligent" and "artificial" without a loss of meaning. As humans make self-deciding robots some other self-deciding organism designed and made human body as a self-deciding organic/chemical machine.

by qbrass 9y ago

You're jumping the gun and assuming it's artificial. You may have a case for intelligent, but you haven't established that it's artificial, so you can't claim it's a project, either.

nyc111 9y ago

You have a point. But "artificial" has many meanings. This one, "contrived by art rather than nature" seems to fit. But this implies that nature is stupid. But we know that nature is intelligent. "By art" implies "by intelligence". "By nature" implies "without intelligence."

tobylane 9y ago
Do we know that nature is smart? Evolution is achieved by trying out whatever random ideas can be expressed by a gene flip and seeing which one creates more sex. That's not smart, and nature doesn't do much better than evolution.
- nyc111 9y ago
  We know that nature is not smart. We are not talking about nature but specific living organisms in nature. All types of life forms make intelligent decisions. Humans are trying to design and produce machines that can make such intelligent decisions on their own. The problem is to write algorithms that evaluate data it receives from the sensors and make the correct decision. The intelligent part is in writing such algorithms that know what to do in unexpected situations and can make the right decisions under new situtions and learn from new situations. So two main signifiers of intelligence are 1. making decisions on its own and 2. learning from new situations. Evolution is an academic buzzword that has so many meanings that it has become meaningless. I avoid using that word. Introducing the word "evolution" to any discussion only leads to discussions about the meaning of the word evolution. Can we investigate my original question without using the word evolution? Yes we can. You say that "nature doesn't do much better than evolution". We now know that the fundamental process nature uses to create new types of organisms is siymbiosis. Different organisms agree to live together and form a new organism.

nyc111 9y ago

What is "artificial" for you?

nyc111 9y ago

Artificial means man-made. Intelligent in this context simply means "that which can make good decisions on its own." So artificial intelligence is really designing and building self-suficient machines that can make good decisions on their own without the help of an outside decision maker. This way we eliminated not-well-defined words "intelligent" and "artificial" without a loss of meaning. As humans make self-deciding robots some other self-deciding organism designed and made human body as a self-deciding organic/chemical machine.