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Not to mention some pretty solid data about where the anti Black racists reside. It's hard to imagine a Klan member being a Democrat, within the past few decad

by eggnet 9y ago

Not to mention some pretty solid data about where the anti Black racists reside. It's hard to imagine a Klan member being a Democrat, within the past few decades. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/?utm_term=.6d951c91e9d2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/1...

octopoc 9y ago
Senator Robert Byrd was a Democrat and a KKK member. Although, when it become a bad move politically to be a KKK member he left and started saying he regretted it. I don't think all the Democratic politicians who were originally racist suddenly had a change of heart. It's my personal opinion that politicians are generally sociopaths, so it isn't a strange thing to me that most of the Democratic politicians suddenly started singing a different tune when they saw the writing on the wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
- freen 9y ago
  Lee Atwater, former chairman of the Republican National Party ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater ) literally said that the key to republicans winning in the south was couching racism in more palatable euphemisms. https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-inf... North Carolina's GOP was sanctioned by the Supreme Court for actively attempting to disenfranchise black people: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-c... Then you've got this: https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/943864121497473026 https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/943864121497473026 People can be former racists, hell, the prior pope was in the Hitler Youth! That said, if you want to argue Robert Byrd presence in the party, who has a 100% rating from the NAACP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd ) somehow indicates that the Democrats are institutionally racist, you are operating with some substantially motivated reasoning. (edited because it's likely SOME Democrats are racist, but not the political party itself as an institution, unlike the GOP)
  - 0xcde4c3db 9y ago
    > literally said that the key to republicans winning in the south was couching racism in more palatable euphemisms Where did he literally say that? I read it as part of an argument that political racism was going to fade away as the ties between policy positions and race became more and more diffuse or abstract. Notably, the following portion was omitted from the pull quote on that The Nation page: > But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other.
  - AnthonyMouse 9y ago
    > Lee Atwater, former chairman of the Republican National Party ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater ) literally said that the key to republicans winning in the south was couching racism in more palatable euphemisms. What he literally said was this: > You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” But think about what that is. It's a strategy for destroying racism by abstracting it into non-existence. You have these racists who hate black people because they think they're inferior subhumans, and then a bunch of regular middle class people who don't care about race at all and just want their tax dollars to pay for their own kid's school instead of some stranger's kid, but they end up together in a majority coalition. If you strip off the second group of people and give them what they want directly without any racial component then the first group loses all their political power. They go from 60% of people you can't ignore to 0.2% of people you can ignore. And you can't pretend the outcome is the same either. A person can't change their skin color the same ways they can change their finances.
    - nl 9y ago
      It's a strategy for destroying racism by abstracting it into non-existence. Do you really believe that? Not many do - most think it is a deliberately racist strategy, and most see that quote as an explanation of it.
creaghpatr 9y ago
The 2016 Klan leader endorsed Clinton for President. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan...
- nl 9y ago
  https://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/ https://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/

by eggnet 9y ago

octopoc 9y ago

Senator Robert Byrd was a Democrat and a KKK member. Although, when it become a bad move politically to be a KKK member he left and started saying he regretted it. I don't think all the Democratic politicians who were originally racist suddenly had a change of heart. It's my personal opinion that politicians are generally sociopaths, so it isn't a strange thing to me that most of the Democratic politicians suddenly started singing a different tune when they saw the writing on the wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

freen 9y ago
Lee Atwater, former chairman of the Republican National Party ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater ) literally said that the key to republicans winning in the south was couching racism in more palatable euphemisms. https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-inf... North Carolina's GOP was sanctioned by the Supreme Court for actively attempting to disenfranchise black people: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-c... Then you've got this: https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/943864121497473026 https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/943864121497473026 People can be former racists, hell, the prior pope was in the Hitler Youth! That said, if you want to argue Robert Byrd presence in the party, who has a 100% rating from the NAACP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd ) somehow indicates that the Democrats are institutionally racist, you are operating with some substantially motivated reasoning. (edited because it's likely SOME Democrats are racist, but not the political party itself as an institution, unlike the GOP)
- 0xcde4c3db 9y ago
  > literally said that the key to republicans winning in the south was couching racism in more palatable euphemisms Where did he literally say that? I read it as part of an argument that political racism was going to fade away as the ties between policy positions and race became more and more diffuse or abstract. Notably, the following portion was omitted from the pull quote on that The Nation page: > But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other.
- AnthonyMouse 9y ago
  > Lee Atwater, former chairman of the Republican National Party ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater ) literally said that the key to republicans winning in the south was couching racism in more palatable euphemisms. What he literally said was this: > You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.” But think about what that is. It's a strategy for destroying racism by abstracting it into non-existence. You have these racists who hate black people because they think they're inferior subhumans, and then a bunch of regular middle class people who don't care about race at all and just want their tax dollars to pay for their own kid's school instead of some stranger's kid, but they end up together in a majority coalition. If you strip off the second group of people and give them what they want directly without any racial component then the first group loses all their political power. They go from 60% of people you can't ignore to 0.2% of people you can ignore. And you can't pretend the outcome is the same either. A person can't change their skin color the same ways they can change their finances.
  - nl 9y ago
    It's a strategy for destroying racism by abstracting it into non-existence. Do you really believe that? Not many do - most think it is a deliberately racist strategy, and most see that quote as an explanation of it.

creaghpatr 9y ago

The 2016 Klan leader endorsed Clinton for President. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan...

nl 9y ago
https://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/ https://www.snopes.com/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/