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Israel does. http://www.newsweek.com/israels-fake-news-war-how-idf-uses-social-media-its-battle-against-hezbollah-724184 http://www.newsweek.com/israels-fake-n

Israel does. http://www.newsweek.com/israels-fake-news-war-how-idf-uses-social-media-its-battle-against-hezbollah-724184 http://www.newsweek.com/israels-fake-news-war-how-idf-uses-s... China does. And we have documented proof of their MAJOR interference in US elections in 1996. They also have recently stolen nuclear secrets and billions worth of weapons research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_fi... How come nobody is talking about them? Did China magically stop being the bad guys after their last controversy... in 2008? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/20/america-china-hacking-security-obama https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/20/america-china-... If we were really as critical thinking as we think we are, we'd be wondering why Russia is so important, and yet China is completely absent from the national discussion. You can learn more from what isn't covered in the news, than what is. And I'm not saying Russia ISN'T important. I'm saying ALL nation-state actors are important and should be discussed. Anything and everything Russia has done, China is currently doing. So why aren't we trying to stop them just as much? Why aren't we digging up dirt on them, just as hard? Why aren't we probing our senators for connections to China? Could it be they own a significant fraction of US interests? Hmmm...

exogen 9y ago
I don't know what you think I said, but yes, sure, investigate all of them, that sounds great? What is your point exactly? Nobody ever said Russia is unique in this regard. That doesn't make it a waste of time to investigate the extremely current and ongoing Russian interference. It's literally affecting people's everyday lives at this very moment. Priorities are a thing.
- katastic 9y ago
  My literal point was that China _is_ affecting our elections RIGHT NOW. So any discussion of election interference should include ALL nations that are doing it. NK and China both directly interfered in our 2016 election: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/north-korea-china-interfered-u-s-election-priebus-article-1.3312905 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/north-korea-china-i... http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/09/china-just-won-the-u-s-election-trump-victory/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/09/china-just-won-the-u-s-e... Did you know that already? Or are you enacting the entire flaw I'm talking about? That everyone is so focused on ONE country that they're forgetting the others that are doing the exact same thing. And when China isn't apart of the discussion, my second point is this: Who has the most to gain by keeping the discussion on a DIFFERENT country (Russia) than themselves? China. I would not be surprised at all to know that the kings of nation-state hacking themselves, would also be fanning the "Russia is the threat (so don't look at any other threats!)" narrative to keep the heat off themselves. I've got sources and logic on my side here. Are you really going to continue arguing that other nations don't matter, because "somehow" Russia is an even bigger threat--even when they do the same evil actions as Russia? At that the country with the largest military on the planet that is "at technological/effective parity" with US forces, doing the same evil actions, is somehow not a threat to us? http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-near-parity-west-2017-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-near-parity-w... So is this really about politics and logic, or is this simply a matter of projecting still bitter wounds about the Trump election, and you don't "know" that China got him elected so they don't matter? What if you found out China DID get him elected, will you suddenly care then? I just proved that China interfered in our elections. So is this really about elections, or, simply, a Russia hate bandwagon and sharing the limelight with China would dilute it? Be honest. When was the last time you saw a major discussion on HN, or the news, about China's interference in our elections? Did you even know it happened? If you found out Uber/Dick Cheney/Facebook/whatever skewed the elections and wasn't reported anywhere, wouldn't you wonder why there's that omission?
  - exogen 9y ago
    You are now being completely dishonest. First article: > Priebus did not cite any evidence to back up his apparent bombshell. > The White House said in a statement to the Daily News that Priebus "was addressing hacking generally, not election manipulation." > But none of the intelligence reports have officially said China or North Korea played a part in that, calling into question where Priebus got his information. The second article does not even mention election interference or even swaying public opinion AT ALL, even slightly. Did you read past the headline? Because by "China Just Won The U.S. Election" the article describes that Trump's policies would be "a win" for China. Not that they got Trump elected. You are deliberately muddying the waters in bad faith. I'm not that stupid. Goodbye.

exogen 9y ago

I don't know what you think I said, but yes, sure, investigate all of them, that sounds great? What is your point exactly? Nobody ever said Russia is unique in this regard. That doesn't make it a waste of time to investigate the extremely current and ongoing Russian interference. It's literally affecting people's everyday lives at this very moment. Priorities are a thing.

katastic 9y ago
My literal point was that China _is_ affecting our elections RIGHT NOW. So any discussion of election interference should include ALL nations that are doing it. NK and China both directly interfered in our 2016 election: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/north-korea-china-interfered-u-s-election-priebus-article-1.3312905 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/north-korea-china-i... http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/09/china-just-won-the-u-s-election-trump-victory/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/09/china-just-won-the-u-s-e... Did you know that already? Or are you enacting the entire flaw I'm talking about? That everyone is so focused on ONE country that they're forgetting the others that are doing the exact same thing. And when China isn't apart of the discussion, my second point is this: Who has the most to gain by keeping the discussion on a DIFFERENT country (Russia) than themselves? China. I would not be surprised at all to know that the kings of nation-state hacking themselves, would also be fanning the "Russia is the threat (so don't look at any other threats!)" narrative to keep the heat off themselves. I've got sources and logic on my side here. Are you really going to continue arguing that other nations don't matter, because "somehow" Russia is an even bigger threat--even when they do the same evil actions as Russia? At that the country with the largest military on the planet that is "at technological/effective parity" with US forces, doing the same evil actions, is somehow not a threat to us? http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-near-parity-west-2017-2 http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-near-parity-w... So is this really about politics and logic, or is this simply a matter of projecting still bitter wounds about the Trump election, and you don't "know" that China got him elected so they don't matter? What if you found out China DID get him elected, will you suddenly care then? I just proved that China interfered in our elections. So is this really about elections, or, simply, a Russia hate bandwagon and sharing the limelight with China would dilute it? Be honest. When was the last time you saw a major discussion on HN, or the news, about China's interference in our elections? Did you even know it happened? If you found out Uber/Dick Cheney/Facebook/whatever skewed the elections and wasn't reported anywhere, wouldn't you wonder why there's that omission?
- exogen 9y ago
  You are now being completely dishonest. First article: > Priebus did not cite any evidence to back up his apparent bombshell. > The White House said in a statement to the Daily News that Priebus "was addressing hacking generally, not election manipulation." > But none of the intelligence reports have officially said China or North Korea played a part in that, calling into question where Priebus got his information. The second article does not even mention election interference or even swaying public opinion AT ALL, even slightly. Did you read past the headline? Because by "China Just Won The U.S. Election" the article describes that Trump's policies would be "a win" for China. Not that they got Trump elected. You are deliberately muddying the waters in bad faith. I'm not that stupid. Goodbye.