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In good news, this may finally force a court case around EULA's, which basically everyone have known for a decade as bullshit. Having to agree to draconian ter

In good news, this may finally force a court case around EULA's, which basically everyone have known for a decade as bullshit. Having to agree to draconian terms to use something you own is ridiculous. If EULA's become enforceable there's nothing preventing a toaster maker from banning you from toasting bagels in your machine and countless other absurd usurious machinations. EULA 'shrinkwrap' license agreements are a scourge on the free market and should be banned unilaterally

guitarbill 9y ago
Agreed, however this depends heavily on jurisdiction. E.g. in Germany [0], license agreements presented after purchase are completely void anyway (although defining the moment of purchase for non-physical goods is tricky - not so for a graphics card though). So in Japan, maybe? [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag
- gmueckl 9y ago
  Well, Geforce GPUs are advertised more heavily for graphics than computing. If I were nVidia I'd try to argue that CUDA and other GPU computing libraries are separate products not purchased with this line of GPUs.
  - rrobukef 9y ago
    If you don't pay for them and need a product is it really a purchase?
nightski 9y ago
I'm confused - does the EULA prevent use within one's own data center? Or is it just that a cloud computing service such as AWS or Azure cannot offer them? Because if it's the latter then the article doesn't hold nearly as much weight imo.
acd 9y ago
The thing with EULAs is that you do not own the product. You are licensed to use the product under the company’s draconian terms. Agree that there needs to be new consumer laws protecting consumers. A contract used in the old times 1800s to be one to two pages of simple English that both parties negotiated the agreed terms on. Now EULas almost requires a degree in law to understand yet you abide to the terms under civil liability. Further more Eula’s are so long most people blind sign without reading and understanding the terms. There is also questions whether terms in Eula’s are legal such as limiting free speech about the product. In many countries free speech is a right regulated as basic first amendment laws. Can you limit free speech?
- matt4077 9y ago
  > can you limit free Speech? God, this is getting out of hand... Yes, of course you can. Confidentiality agreements, kn-disparagement clauses in settlement... it happens all the time. Not to mention that the first amendment limits government censorship. Private parties are, as a first approximation, free to agree to whatever terms they like. There’s also fraud, obscenity, and defamation laws. All limiting free speech. And, of course, using graphic cards has nothing to do with free speech.
- garmaine 9y ago
  That’s an argument for software licenses. My NVIDIA GPU on the other hand is hardware I own.
  - otherwiseguy 9y ago
    Good luck using it to its fullest potential without their drivers.
  - discreditable 9y ago
    But is the hardware even any good without the NVIDIA firmware baked inside?
    - guitarbill 9y ago

guitarbill 9y ago

Agreed, however this depends heavily on jurisdiction. E.g. in Germany [0], license agreements presented after purchase are completely void anyway (although defining the moment of purchase for non-physical goods is tricky - not so for a graphics card though). So in Japan, maybe? [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag

gmueckl 9y ago
Well, Geforce GPUs are advertised more heavily for graphics than computing. If I were nVidia I'd try to argue that CUDA and other GPU computing libraries are separate products not purchased with this line of GPUs.
- rrobukef 9y ago
  If you don't pay for them and need a product is it really a purchase?

nightski 9y ago

I'm confused - does the EULA prevent use within one's own data center? Or is it just that a cloud computing service such as AWS or Azure cannot offer them? Because if it's the latter then the article doesn't hold nearly as much weight imo.

acd 9y ago

The thing with EULAs is that you do not own the product. You are licensed to use the product under the company’s draconian terms. Agree that there needs to be new consumer laws protecting consumers. A contract used in the old times 1800s to be one to two pages of simple English that both parties negotiated the agreed terms on. Now EULas almost requires a degree in law to understand yet you abide to the terms under civil liability. Further more Eula’s are so long most people blind sign without reading and understanding the terms. There is also questions whether terms in Eula’s are legal such as limiting free speech about the product. In many countries free speech is a right regulated as basic first amendment laws. Can you limit free speech?

matt4077 9y ago
> can you limit free Speech? God, this is getting out of hand... Yes, of course you can. Confidentiality agreements, kn-disparagement clauses in settlement... it happens all the time. Not to mention that the first amendment limits government censorship. Private parties are, as a first approximation, free to agree to whatever terms they like. There’s also fraud, obscenity, and defamation laws. All limiting free speech. And, of course, using graphic cards has nothing to do with free speech.
garmaine 9y ago
That’s an argument for software licenses. My NVIDIA GPU on the other hand is hardware I own.
- otherwiseguy 9y ago
  Good luck using it to its fullest potential without their drivers.
- discreditable 9y ago
  But is the hardware even any good without the NVIDIA firmware baked inside?
  - guitarbill 9y ago