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If dickishness was a crime then most of our software engineers would be in jail.

by swayvil 9y ago

cblock811 9y ago
That it's not a crime doesn't excuse dickishness.
nl 9y ago
You need to find a new place work if that is true.
- kmicklas 9y ago
  I quite working at Google largely because I found many more dicks there than average. So maybe Max would be a perfect fit. (Although let's not forget that admitting you are a dick at times takes a certain amount of humility.)
gaius 9y ago
In the aftermath of the Damore affair, one thing that came to light was that Google managers operate private blacklists, which they attempt to spread beyond Google to make people unemployable, and that they are so unafraid of HR that they openly brag about it. It sounds like some pretty toxic behaviours are tolerated there, among management if not among the engineers...
- Jabbles 9y ago
  source?
  - gaius 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952574
    - jldugger 9y ago
      I have not worked at Google and have no idea what the list in question is, who maintains it, or what it takes to get on said blacklist. Speculation admits a lot of possibilities, including your own, but there's no evidence that managers created that list. It could well be line staff producing and publishing their own list of preferences. As a random example, perhaps a list of known sexual harassers that HR has not acted on, curated by an individual contributor with a victim's right's motive, and shared with at-risk coworkers. In such a situation, a person might legitimately wish to not put themselves in another stressful, high anxiety situation involving harassment. Either option and many more are possible. All the ones I can think of suggest that Google's hiring and transfer process needs work.
      - gaius 9y ago
        People who tweeted about adding names to the list were identified via LinkedIn as managers at Google. I don't want to doxx anyone because maybe they have seen the folly of their ways but there was a whole furore about it at the time. In the UK employer-maintained blacklists are illegal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36242312 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36242312

If dickishness was a crime then most of our software engineers would be in jail.

cblock811 9y ago

That it's not a crime doesn't excuse dickishness.

nl 9y ago

You need to find a new place work if that is true.

kmicklas 9y ago
I quite working at Google largely because I found many more dicks there than average. So maybe Max would be a perfect fit. (Although let's not forget that admitting you are a dick at times takes a certain amount of humility.)

gaius 9y ago

In the aftermath of the Damore affair, one thing that came to light was that Google managers operate private blacklists, which they attempt to spread beyond Google to make people unemployable, and that they are so unafraid of HR that they openly brag about it. It sounds like some pretty toxic behaviours are tolerated there, among management if not among the engineers...

Jabbles 9y ago
source?
- gaius 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952574
  - jldugger 9y ago
    I have not worked at Google and have no idea what the list in question is, who maintains it, or what it takes to get on said blacklist. Speculation admits a lot of possibilities, including your own, but there's no evidence that managers created that list. It could well be line staff producing and publishing their own list of preferences. As a random example, perhaps a list of known sexual harassers that HR has not acted on, curated by an individual contributor with a victim's right's motive, and shared with at-risk coworkers. In such a situation, a person might legitimately wish to not put themselves in another stressful, high anxiety situation involving harassment. Either option and many more are possible. All the ones I can think of suggest that Google's hiring and transfer process needs work.
    - gaius 9y ago
      People who tweeted about adding names to the list were identified via LinkedIn as managers at Google. I don't want to doxx anyone because maybe they have seen the folly of their ways but there was a whole furore about it at the time. In the UK employer-maintained blacklists are illegal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36242312 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36242312