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I'd use cljs for Serverless architectures. There's JVM support in e.g. AWS Lambda, but JS is a more popular and lightweight target.

by vemv 9y ago

frou_dh 9y ago
"MACCHIATO: ClojureScript arrives on the server" Perfect for "Serverless" I want off this ride!
- vemv 9y ago
  Serverless stacks do run on servers, and on node.js in this case.
  - frou_dh 9y ago
    We're drowning in obfuscation.
    - benatkin 9y ago
      It's on the server side, but you don't manage any servers. Serverless means you don't manage any servers, directly or indirectly. It's a step further towards where you don't own any servers. It's part of an evolution that has gone from being more aware of servers to being less aware: on-site servers -> colocated physical servers -> dedicated servers -> virtual private servers -> cloud virtual private servers -> autoscaled cloud VPS -> cloud functions where you you aren't billed by, or even aware, of the number of servers running I don't think "serverless" is a terrible term.
vikeri 9y ago
How's that working for you compared to vanilla node on serverless? And are you using it for an API or just minor services?
- vemv 9y ago
  Thanks for the question but I haven't tried it myself (yet). With Clojure(Script) whole categories of complexities tend to disappear, so I'd expect that to be the case in this scenario too.
  - _sdegutis 9y ago
    I’d be curious which whole categories just disappear in Clojure/Script that JS has, in real world practical situations.
    - vemv 9y ago
      Mutability, boilerplate, no built-in mechanisms/conventions for saner programming, tooling/trend hell
_sdegutis 9y ago
That seems strange. Having used clojurescript and clojure in production for years, it’s a very niche language that only makes sense for a small subset of use cases, similar to elm’s story. And all of those use cases benefit from the JVM specifically. The slimmer node environment is not a plus in situations when clojure or clojurescript would make sense.
- nogridbag 9y ago
  As someone learning Clojure, I'm curious why you feel Clojure is not applicable to most use cases. From an outsider's perspective, it seems like a great fit for most enterprisey type applications which seem to make up the majority of apps. Would love to hear more about your experience with Clojure.
- vemv 9y ago
  Clojure(Script) is a general-purpose language.

I'd use cljs for Serverless architectures. There's JVM support in e.g. AWS Lambda, but JS is a more popular and lightweight target.

by vemv 9y ago

I'd use cljs for Serverless architectures. There's JVM support in e.g. AWS Lambda, but JS is a more popular and lightweight target.

frou_dh 9y ago

"MACCHIATO: ClojureScript arrives on the server" Perfect for "Serverless" I want off this ride!

vemv 9y ago
Serverless stacks do run on servers, and on node.js in this case.
- frou_dh 9y ago
  We're drowning in obfuscation.
  - benatkin 9y ago
    It's on the server side, but you don't manage any servers. Serverless means you don't manage any servers, directly or indirectly. It's a step further towards where you don't own any servers. It's part of an evolution that has gone from being more aware of servers to being less aware: on-site servers -> colocated physical servers -> dedicated servers -> virtual private servers -> cloud virtual private servers -> autoscaled cloud VPS -> cloud functions where you you aren't billed by, or even aware, of the number of servers running I don't think "serverless" is a terrible term.

vikeri 9y ago

How's that working for you compared to vanilla node on serverless? And are you using it for an API or just minor services?

vemv 9y ago
Thanks for the question but I haven't tried it myself (yet). With Clojure(Script) whole categories of complexities tend to disappear, so I'd expect that to be the case in this scenario too.
- _sdegutis 9y ago
  I’d be curious which whole categories just disappear in Clojure/Script that JS has, in real world practical situations.
  - vemv 9y ago
    Mutability, boilerplate, no built-in mechanisms/conventions for saner programming, tooling/trend hell

_sdegutis 9y ago

That seems strange. Having used clojurescript and clojure in production for years, it’s a very niche language that only makes sense for a small subset of use cases, similar to elm’s story. And all of those use cases benefit from the JVM specifically. The slimmer node environment is not a plus in situations when clojure or clojurescript would make sense.

nogridbag 9y ago
As someone learning Clojure, I'm curious why you feel Clojure is not applicable to most use cases. From an outsider's perspective, it seems like a great fit for most enterprisey type applications which seem to make up the majority of apps. Would love to hear more about your experience with Clojure.
vemv 9y ago
Clojure(Script) is a general-purpose language.