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It is replaceable (by Apple, authorized and unauthorized third parties). User replaceable batteries could increase waste by being less reliable overall. I know

by IBM 9y ago

It is replaceable (by Apple, authorized and unauthorized third parties). User replaceable batteries could increase waste by being less reliable overall. I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. Also we've had this debate for years already when Apple went to unibody Macbooks. The reliability and battery life only increased because of the better structural integrity and increased room for battery cells.

jhiska 9y ago
It is not easily replaceable as with any other phone. The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. >I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. You're relating a supposedly personal story to make your spin claims more relatable. Maybe you're like the people in late-night TV commercials who seemingly can't open a can of tomatoes without massive bleeding? ;)
- chrisseaton 9y ago
  > The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. Well I could say I'm spending that money on having a nicer phone that's sealed and seamless, rather than wasting it.
  - jhiska 9y ago
    Sealed, seamless, performance-degraded, costly to service, with planned obsolescence. It's quite obvious that it's a waste of money to pay middle-men to perform basic service on it for stuff a user can do at home with any other phone.
    - chrisseaton 9y ago
      Right... but the point was I get something, in return for having to pay middle-men to service it. It's a trade I'm happy with. Maybe you aren't, but it works for me.
      - jhiska 9y ago
        You can go to a store and ask someone there to replace the batteries of your TV remote or battery-swappable phone for free, if you like.
        chrisseaton 9y ago
        You're just being sarcastic for the sake of it and not really contributing anything to the discussion.
        abiox 9y ago
        it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. i would wager that their post was trying to highlight that.
        chrisseaton 9y ago
        > it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. That would be odd! Which is why that's not what I said. I said that the received benefit in return for having to pay for the batter to be replaced was 'a nicer phone'. I like the single form of the iPhone.
        Fnoord 9y ago
        How do you know? Have you ever tried an iPhone with a replaceable battery? Is the iPhone 7 better than the iPhone 6 because it is more difficult to replace the battery?

by IBM 9y ago

jhiska 9y ago

It is not easily replaceable as with any other phone. The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. >I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. You're relating a supposedly personal story to make your spin claims more relatable. Maybe you're like the people in late-night TV commercials who seemingly can't open a can of tomatoes without massive bleeding? ;)

chrisseaton 9y ago
> The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. Well I could say I'm spending that money on having a nicer phone that's sealed and seamless, rather than wasting it.
- jhiska 9y ago
  Sealed, seamless, performance-degraded, costly to service, with planned obsolescence. It's quite obvious that it's a waste of money to pay middle-men to perform basic service on it for stuff a user can do at home with any other phone.
  - chrisseaton 9y ago
    Right... but the point was I get something, in return for having to pay middle-men to service it. It's a trade I'm happy with. Maybe you aren't, but it works for me.
    - jhiska 9y ago
      You can go to a store and ask someone there to replace the batteries of your TV remote or battery-swappable phone for free, if you like.
      - chrisseaton 9y ago
        You're just being sarcastic for the sake of it and not really contributing anything to the discussion.
        abiox 9y ago
        it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. i would wager that their post was trying to highlight that.
        chrisseaton 9y ago
        > it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. That would be odd! Which is why that's not what I said. I said that the received benefit in return for having to pay for the batter to be replaced was 'a nicer phone'. I like the single form of the iPhone.
        Fnoord 9y ago
        How do you know? Have you ever tried an iPhone with a replaceable battery? Is the iPhone 7 better than the iPhone 6 because it is more difficult to replace the battery?