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How would replaceable batteries decrease the life of the smartphone?

jhiska 9y ago
It wouldn't. It would obviously increase the lifespan of it. The spinsters are deliberately confusing "lifespan" with "resale value".
- IBM 9y ago
  >The spinsters are deliberately confusing "lifespan" with "resale value". I realize I'm responding to someone arguing in bad faith. But lifespan directly influences the resale value.
  - jhiska 9y ago
    Replaceable batteries increase lifespan. The iPhone is a well-made phone which would have greater lifespan if the batteries were replaceable. As it is, users who bought an older iPhone now have to pay middle-men to replace the battery or face degraded performance.
    - valuearb 9y ago
      The iPhone already has replaceable batteries. Making them user-replaceable just reduces battery capacity, increases size/weight, all so in 2-3 years you can save about 5% of your purchase cost by replacing the battery yourself. iPhone users buy iPhones because they wanted the best in class functionality, if they wanted to save money they'd buy a phone with a replaceable battery.
IBM 9y ago
It is replaceable (by Apple, authorized and unauthorized third parties). User replaceable batteries could increase waste by being less reliable overall. I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. Also we've had this debate for years already when Apple went to unibody Macbooks. The reliability and battery life only increased because of the better structural integrity and increased room for battery cells.
- jhiska 9y ago
  It is not easily replaceable as with any other phone. The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. >I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. You're relating a supposedly personal story to make your spin claims more relatable. Maybe you're like the people in late-night TV commercials who seemingly can't open a can of tomatoes without massive bleeding? ;)
  - chrisseaton 9y ago
    > The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. Well I could say I'm spending that money on having a nicer phone that's sealed and seamless, rather than wasting it.
    - jhiska 9y ago
      Sealed, seamless, performance-degraded, costly to service, with planned obsolescence. It's quite obvious that it's a waste of money to pay middle-men to perform basic service on it for stuff a user can do at home with any other phone.
      - chrisseaton 9y ago
        Right... but the point was I get something, in return for having to pay middle-men to service it. It's a trade I'm happy with. Maybe you aren't, but it works for me.
        jhiska 9y ago
        You can go to a store and ask someone there to replace the batteries of your TV remote or battery-swappable phone for free, if you like.
        9y ago

It wouldn't. It would obviously increase the lifespan of it. The spinsters are deliberately confusing "lifespan" with "resale value".

IBM 9y ago
>The spinsters are deliberately confusing "lifespan" with "resale value". I realize I'm responding to someone arguing in bad faith. But lifespan directly influences the resale value.
- jhiska 9y ago
  Replaceable batteries increase lifespan. The iPhone is a well-made phone which would have greater lifespan if the batteries were replaceable. As it is, users who bought an older iPhone now have to pay middle-men to replace the battery or face degraded performance.
  - valuearb 9y ago
    The iPhone already has replaceable batteries. Making them user-replaceable just reduces battery capacity, increases size/weight, all so in 2-3 years you can save about 5% of your purchase cost by replacing the battery yourself. iPhone users buy iPhones because they wanted the best in class functionality, if they wanted to save money they'd buy a phone with a replaceable battery.

IBM 9y ago

It is replaceable (by Apple, authorized and unauthorized third parties). User replaceable batteries could increase waste by being less reliable overall. I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. Also we've had this debate for years already when Apple went to unibody Macbooks. The reliability and battery life only increased because of the better structural integrity and increased room for battery cells.

jhiska 9y ago
It is not easily replaceable as with any other phone. The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. >I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. You're relating a supposedly personal story to make your spin claims more relatable. Maybe you're like the people in late-night TV commercials who seemingly can't open a can of tomatoes without massive bleeding? ;)
- chrisseaton 9y ago
  > The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. Well I could say I'm spending that money on having a nicer phone that's sealed and seamless, rather than wasting it.
  - jhiska 9y ago
    Sealed, seamless, performance-degraded, costly to service, with planned obsolescence. It's quite obvious that it's a waste of money to pay middle-men to perform basic service on it for stuff a user can do at home with any other phone.
    - chrisseaton 9y ago
      Right... but the point was I get something, in return for having to pay middle-men to service it. It's a trade I'm happy with. Maybe you aren't, but it works for me.
      - jhiska 9y ago
        You can go to a store and ask someone there to replace the batteries of your TV remote or battery-swappable phone for free, if you like.
        9y ago