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> I see statements & 0 facts... Please check your references and come back with data. For starters, I provided facts that debunked your un-cited and inaccurate

> I see statements & 0 facts... Please check your references and come back with data. For starters, I provided facts that debunked your un-cited and inaccurate claim about subways in other large cities. If you're going to make the claim that overnight service is the root of the MTA's current problems, the burden is on you toprovide evidence that (a) temporary closures for routine maintenance are not sufficient, (b) something changed drastically in the last 15 years, because the MTA has run overnight for most of the subway's existence without a problem; and (c) the problems that overnight service allegedly causes are somehow more significant than the other problems the MTA has (which are discussed extensively in this article and comment thread).

justicezyx 9y ago
Reducing maintenance cost and more room for other improvements, I see no need to justify this reasoning at all. It's your responsibility to show that the saved maintenance cost is hurting the "essentials" of NYC subway.
- chimeracoder 9y ago
  > Reducing maintenance cost and more room for other improvements, I see no need to justify this reasoning at all Yeah, see, that's the thing: you're making a pretty big fallacy assuming that the costs of providing overnight service actually impact maintenance work in any meaningful way. As it turns out, overnight service is relatively inexpensive to provide, and temporary disruptions to evening or weekend service for maintenance (which already happen) are sufficient to address most maintenance problems that can't be handled during working hours. Cutting overnight service wouldn't solve the problems that are actually preventing the maintenance that's needed. I'm not going to bother to go into more specifics, because they're well documented, not just in this comment thread but also the exact original article. If you're interested, those are both excellent places to start.
  - justicezyx 9y ago
    Hmm, I am curious where are the documented evidence about overnight subway

justicezyx 9y ago

Reducing maintenance cost and more room for other improvements, I see no need to justify this reasoning at all. It's your responsibility to show that the saved maintenance cost is hurting the "essentials" of NYC subway.

chimeracoder 9y ago
> Reducing maintenance cost and more room for other improvements, I see no need to justify this reasoning at all Yeah, see, that's the thing: you're making a pretty big fallacy assuming that the costs of providing overnight service actually impact maintenance work in any meaningful way. As it turns out, overnight service is relatively inexpensive to provide, and temporary disruptions to evening or weekend service for maintenance (which already happen) are sufficient to address most maintenance problems that can't be handled during working hours. Cutting overnight service wouldn't solve the problems that are actually preventing the maintenance that's needed. I'm not going to bother to go into more specifics, because they're well documented, not just in this comment thread but also the exact original article. If you're interested, those are both excellent places to start.
- justicezyx 9y ago
  Hmm, I am curious where are the documented evidence about overnight subway