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THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. I always thought I was going crazy, thinking my increasingly "old" phone seemed slow. This is really irritating and disingenuous on Ap

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. I always thought I was going crazy, thinking my increasingly "old" phone seemed slow. This is really irritating and disingenuous on Apple's behalf - as said above, they should at least add a switch.

fleitz 9y ago
The bigger effect is probably how software is developed. Most devs have a shiny new phone on their desk, we make it fast enough and then stop, therefore an older phone will appear to be slower because the app is still fast on our devices. QA will test on a older phone but most companies don’t have tight performance targets so what used to be 60 FPS is now 45 and what used to be a 200 ms load is now 250 ms. The difference is imperceptible during dev because each new feature shaves a few FPS and adds a few ms.
gdulli 9y ago
My smartphone in 2008 was an iPhone. It slowed down unacceptably and I never bought another piece of Apple hardware again. My 3 phones since then all remained usable past 2 years until I was ready to replace them on my own schedule.
- C6C6C6C 9y ago
  Same experience, but I went back to the iPhone once, only once, with the iPhone 5s, and then already deeply regretted it after updating iOS to the latest. I should have known they'd do it again after what I experienced with the iPhone 3g last update, which made the thing so slow it was unusable. The iPhone 5s should have hardware that is much faster than what's in a Moto G2. Yet, my friend's Moto G2 feels smoother in use, transitioning between apps and the like, than the 5s. I bought the Honor 8 to replace it, a somewhat cheap, midrange android device. Everything on it feels so fast I probably won't replace it until its battery gives out completely. On the paper, the hardware of the Honor 8 is not as fast as modern iPhones. In practice when I open apps it's pretty much instantaneous. The device has enough RAM to keep everything running. People keep complaining android manufacturers aren't updating the OS fast enough. I'd say good on them to make sure they only give us an OS build that's actually usable on said hardware. Apple doesn't even let you install previous iOS versions. Unlike iOS, most of Android's platform APIs are updated through the Play Store. Things like your web browser are also updated through the play store. So unlike iPhones where refusing new iOS updates means being stuck with browser engines that can't keep up with the web, your android handset stuck on older android is not actually becoming obsolete. No matter how much nicer Apple's hardware looks and feels in the hands, I ain't ever giving them more of my money again. Premium prices should command more durability in time than this. Chosing to stay on an old iOS means you can't install new apps built on newer SDKs or get newer browsers and so on, so you really have to suffer the slow down treadmill with Apple. You don't have to on Android.
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elboru 9y ago
I really want to believe they have good intentions, but this does smell like a Planned obsolescence to me. I can stand an old battery draining quickly (I just have to make my mind to bring a charger everywhere with me), BUT my phone taking forever to load a simple app is really FRUSTRATING. "New" features usually are not a motivation for me to buy a new phone, but a slow phone will make me get a new one right away...
- jrs95 9y ago
  It’s intended to prevent crashes, not extend battery life. Once the battery degrades, trying to run the CPU at 100% will crash the phone.
jrs95 9y ago
If it had a switch, the only thing it would do is crash your phone when the CPU utilization spikes.
DigitalJack 9y ago
Keep in mind this is relatively new. The press seems to be spinning it as an "ah ha, old phones really are getting slower!" Well, yes, now. I mean as of 10.2.1, so a year ago, but people have been thinking their phones were getting slower since smartphones became a thing. Likewise with old computers. And as someone else commented, "apple will never add a MAKE MY PHONE UNSTABLE switch."
sctb 9y ago
Would you mind not using uppercase for emphasis, please? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Upvoter33 9y ago
  oops, my bad. bad habit, used for "humor"/emphasis. failed on both here it seems... :)

fleitz 9y ago

The bigger effect is probably how software is developed. Most devs have a shiny new phone on their desk, we make it fast enough and then stop, therefore an older phone will appear to be slower because the app is still fast on our devices. QA will test on a older phone but most companies don’t have tight performance targets so what used to be 60 FPS is now 45 and what used to be a 200 ms load is now 250 ms. The difference is imperceptible during dev because each new feature shaves a few FPS and adds a few ms.

gdulli 9y ago

My smartphone in 2008 was an iPhone. It slowed down unacceptably and I never bought another piece of Apple hardware again. My 3 phones since then all remained usable past 2 years until I was ready to replace them on my own schedule.

C6C6C6C 9y ago
Same experience, but I went back to the iPhone once, only once, with the iPhone 5s, and then already deeply regretted it after updating iOS to the latest. I should have known they'd do it again after what I experienced with the iPhone 3g last update, which made the thing so slow it was unusable. The iPhone 5s should have hardware that is much faster than what's in a Moto G2. Yet, my friend's Moto G2 feels smoother in use, transitioning between apps and the like, than the 5s. I bought the Honor 8 to replace it, a somewhat cheap, midrange android device. Everything on it feels so fast I probably won't replace it until its battery gives out completely. On the paper, the hardware of the Honor 8 is not as fast as modern iPhones. In practice when I open apps it's pretty much instantaneous. The device has enough RAM to keep everything running. People keep complaining android manufacturers aren't updating the OS fast enough. I'd say good on them to make sure they only give us an OS build that's actually usable on said hardware. Apple doesn't even let you install previous iOS versions. Unlike iOS, most of Android's platform APIs are updated through the Play Store. Things like your web browser are also updated through the play store. So unlike iPhones where refusing new iOS updates means being stuck with browser engines that can't keep up with the web, your android handset stuck on older android is not actually becoming obsolete. No matter how much nicer Apple's hardware looks and feels in the hands, I ain't ever giving them more of my money again. Premium prices should command more durability in time than this. Chosing to stay on an old iOS means you can't install new apps built on newer SDKs or get newer browsers and so on, so you really have to suffer the slow down treadmill with Apple. You don't have to on Android.
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elboru 9y ago

I really want to believe they have good intentions, but this does smell like a Planned obsolescence to me. I can stand an old battery draining quickly (I just have to make my mind to bring a charger everywhere with me), BUT my phone taking forever to load a simple app is really FRUSTRATING. "New" features usually are not a motivation for me to buy a new phone, but a slow phone will make me get a new one right away...

jrs95 9y ago
It’s intended to prevent crashes, not extend battery life. Once the battery degrades, trying to run the CPU at 100% will crash the phone.

jrs95 9y ago

If it had a switch, the only thing it would do is crash your phone when the CPU utilization spikes.

DigitalJack 9y ago

Keep in mind this is relatively new. The press seems to be spinning it as an "ah ha, old phones really are getting slower!" Well, yes, now. I mean as of 10.2.1, so a year ago, but people have been thinking their phones were getting slower since smartphones became a thing. Likewise with old computers. And as someone else commented, "apple will never add a MAKE MY PHONE UNSTABLE switch."

sctb 9y ago

Would you mind not using uppercase for emphasis, please? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Upvoter33 9y ago
oops, my bad. bad habit, used for "humor"/emphasis. failed on both here it seems... :)