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Yet another social-media thing. I thought the consensus in non-social-media media was that all social media was unhealthy. Now we're getting an ad (or infomer

by jhiska 9y ago

Yet another social-media thing. I thought the consensus in non-social-media media was that all social media was unhealthy. Now we're getting an ad (or infomercial, if you prefer that term) from traditional media for an open-sourced Facebook / Twitter wannabe killer. I guess they just take whatever stance that fits their unstated goals.

rainbowmverse 9y ago
>> Yet another social-media company. There's no company.
- jhiska 9y ago
  Yet another social-media whatchamaycallit. Somehow I end up not following my own advice and simplifying and making only one point per comment. That way people wouldn't focus on a minor thing about it and ignore the rest of it. (The advice being: I think a good part of the reason why some one-line comments end up getting so many upvotes is because they say only one thing. The more things you try to say then the more reasons there will be for people to disagree and downvote you so no one else reads your message.)
  - mikestew 9y ago
    Your post had so many straw men that I advise <no_smoking> tags around your post. It’s not that there was so much to disagree with, but rather I couldn’t suss your point beyond “the hive mind is hypocritical”, which...doesn’t leave me much to argue with.
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - jhiska 9y ago
      What's your point?
  - rainbowmverse 9y ago
    Your comment ranged from unhinged rant to moderate and reasonable depending on which edit you were on. I decided to focus on the part that was both consistent and worth addressing.
    - jhiska 9y ago
      Thank you for addressing the reasonable and consistent part of my unhinged rant. I know what the real problem is. No rapport was established. You are in the defensive because you feel I corrected you as well and thus passed judgement. It's human relationships.
egypturnash 9y ago
There’s no company. There’s a W3C-approved standard (two of them, actually - OStatus and ActivityPub), a guy who spent a year or two writing a user-friendly client for them, a Github project with a growing number of contributors, a bunch of other people hosting servers, and an assortment of Patreon campaigns to pay for continued development and to help pay the bills for the servers that aren’t being run out of someone's deep pocket. And enough people deciding that they are fed up with Twitter for there to be enough of a community to make it worthwhile. Corporate-owned social media that tries to pay its development and hosting costs by putting as many ads in front of your eyeballs is unhealthy. The fact that this is pretty much all we've had for the past decade or two makes it easy to assume this means all social media is unhealthy.
- jhiska 9y ago
  One can argue that replacing real-life relationships with digital ones is unhealthy. And digital lives are more easily monitored by governments -- not just the American or European governments, which is already bad enough. This too is dangerous. Being able to go into a community of like-minded people translates in the meat-world to meat communities where your neighbors might have a completely different perception of reality than each other. This too is problematic. I understand now that there is no company behind it. It's open-source and developed with good intentions, but as the saying goes, the graveyard is full of good intentions. I deeply distrust anything that entices me to reveal personal data in a medium monitored by the secret police. How much these objections weigh for you depends on your priorities. Non-corporate, open-sourced social-media isn't significantly different for me to assuage my very real Internet privacy terrors.
  - kstrauser 9y ago
    > One can argue that replacing real-life relationships with digital ones is unhealthy. One can argue lots of things, but I think it's a crucial support network for people not near lots of like-minded others. What "real life" peer group is a trans kid in small town in Kansas supposed to hang out with and get support from?

by jhiska 9y ago

rainbowmverse 9y ago

>> Yet another social-media company. There's no company.

jhiska 9y ago
Yet another social-media whatchamaycallit. Somehow I end up not following my own advice and simplifying and making only one point per comment. That way people wouldn't focus on a minor thing about it and ignore the rest of it. (The advice being: I think a good part of the reason why some one-line comments end up getting so many upvotes is because they say only one thing. The more things you try to say then the more reasons there will be for people to disagree and downvote you so no one else reads your message.)
- mikestew 9y ago
  Your post had so many straw men that I advise <no_smoking> tags around your post. It’s not that there was so much to disagree with, but rather I couldn’t suss your point beyond “the hive mind is hypocritical”, which...doesn’t leave me much to argue with.
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  - jhiska 9y ago
    What's your point?
- rainbowmverse 9y ago
  Your comment ranged from unhinged rant to moderate and reasonable depending on which edit you were on. I decided to focus on the part that was both consistent and worth addressing.
  - jhiska 9y ago
    Thank you for addressing the reasonable and consistent part of my unhinged rant. I know what the real problem is. No rapport was established. You are in the defensive because you feel I corrected you as well and thus passed judgement. It's human relationships.

egypturnash 9y ago

There’s no company. There’s a W3C-approved standard (two of them, actually - OStatus and ActivityPub), a guy who spent a year or two writing a user-friendly client for them, a Github project with a growing number of contributors, a bunch of other people hosting servers, and an assortment of Patreon campaigns to pay for continued development and to help pay the bills for the servers that aren’t being run out of someone's deep pocket. And enough people deciding that they are fed up with Twitter for there to be enough of a community to make it worthwhile. Corporate-owned social media that tries to pay its development and hosting costs by putting as many ads in front of your eyeballs is unhealthy. The fact that this is pretty much all we've had for the past decade or two makes it easy to assume this means all social media is unhealthy.

jhiska 9y ago
One can argue that replacing real-life relationships with digital ones is unhealthy. And digital lives are more easily monitored by governments -- not just the American or European governments, which is already bad enough. This too is dangerous. Being able to go into a community of like-minded people translates in the meat-world to meat communities where your neighbors might have a completely different perception of reality than each other. This too is problematic. I understand now that there is no company behind it. It's open-source and developed with good intentions, but as the saying goes, the graveyard is full of good intentions. I deeply distrust anything that entices me to reveal personal data in a medium monitored by the secret police. How much these objections weigh for you depends on your priorities. Non-corporate, open-sourced social-media isn't significantly different for me to assuage my very real Internet privacy terrors.
- kstrauser 9y ago
  > One can argue that replacing real-life relationships with digital ones is unhealthy. One can argue lots of things, but I think it's a crucial support network for people not near lots of like-minded others. What "real life" peer group is a trans kid in small town in Kansas supposed to hang out with and get support from?