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Any responsible manufacturer would notify users about faulty hardware and not try to hide the problem.

forgot-my-pw 9y ago
It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. So the CPU is throttled when the battery is no longer optimal to preserve battery life? I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery.
- andrei_says_ 9y ago
  Or have a switch. I don’t think this is about us having a better experience though. It looks like a strategy to sell new devices by making the old ones obsolete. I hope we see a class action.
- concerned_user 9y ago
  Apple says that if they don't throttle it then phone can suddenly shut down (battery overheats, fail-safes shut the power so it doesn't explode) under certain circumstances, which is perceived as fault by end user. I would like to be informed of this "Your battery is starting to fail". Same way as SMART monitoring in disk drives tells you that it degraded too much and will break soon.
- mrsteveman1 9y ago
  > It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. > I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery. I agree, but something is odd about this whole situation. I have an iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4, a 2nd generation iPod Touch, and several Android phones. The iPhone 6 is the first one I've seen randomly turn itself off when the battery level was below 30%, all of the others would run normally even when the battery condition was poor. I could continue using them normally while the battery indicator ticked down to 1%. While my iPhone 6 no longer randomly turns itself off, it frequently doesn't respond for 15+ seconds when typing a letter on the keyboard or tapping a text field, it's essentially just as unusable as if it had turned itself off. What makes me suspicious is that I have a 2nd iPhone 6 here at the moment with a similarly aged battery in fairly poor condition. It doesn't randomly turn off, and the performance difference is immediately noticeable, it's actually usable. The only real difference I can identify is that it is still running an older version of iOS.
city41 9y ago
Batteries degrade over time. I wouldn't classify that as faulty hardware. I would say it's faulty design (battery should be easily replaced) and faulty communication though.

It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. So the CPU is throttled when the battery is no longer optimal to preserve battery life? I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery.

andrei_says_ 9y ago
Or have a switch. I don’t think this is about us having a better experience though. It looks like a strategy to sell new devices by making the old ones obsolete. I hope we see a class action.
concerned_user 9y ago
Apple says that if they don't throttle it then phone can suddenly shut down (battery overheats, fail-safes shut the power so it doesn't explode) under certain circumstances, which is perceived as fault by end user. I would like to be informed of this "Your battery is starting to fail". Same way as SMART monitoring in disk drives tells you that it degraded too much and will break soon.
mrsteveman1 9y ago
> It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. > I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery. I agree, but something is odd about this whole situation. I have an iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4, a 2nd generation iPod Touch, and several Android phones. The iPhone 6 is the first one I've seen randomly turn itself off when the battery level was below 30%, all of the others would run normally even when the battery condition was poor. I could continue using them normally while the battery indicator ticked down to 1%. While my iPhone 6 no longer randomly turns itself off, it frequently doesn't respond for 15+ seconds when typing a letter on the keyboard or tapping a text field, it's essentially just as unusable as if it had turned itself off. What makes me suspicious is that I have a 2nd iPhone 6 here at the moment with a similarly aged battery in fairly poor condition. It doesn't randomly turn off, and the performance difference is immediately noticeable, it's actually usable. The only real difference I can identify is that it is still running an older version of iOS.

city41 9y ago

Batteries degrade over time. I wouldn't classify that as faulty hardware. I would say it's faulty design (battery should be easily replaced) and faulty communication though.