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> The subway shuts down in nearly all the major cities with much better and often times more expansive systems than NYC, Tokyo in particular stands out. People

> The subway shuts down in nearly all the major cities with much better and often times more expansive systems than NYC, Tokyo in particular stands out. People against shutting down the subway usually argue against it because they just want to be able to go out drinking at night and not have to pay for a Lyft or Taxi back home. Or, you know, people who actually have to travel those hours for work or other reasons. NYC is a 24-hour city in a way that cities like London are not. > 1. Run a night owl bus service that replaces all or most lines like Philly. Don't know why this isn't more common. Bus service, even with optimal traffic, is way slower than subway service. > Have overnight service Friday and Saturday for the party crowd. Apparently there are systems in Europe that do this. Yeah, London just introduced this. It's pretty terrible compared to what we have in NYC. I wouldn't trade it for what NYC has now.

rayiner 9y ago
> NYC is a 24-hour city in a way that cities like London are not. I highly doubt that’s true.
- chimeracoder 9y ago
  > I highly doubt that’s true. Having lived in New York for a decade and also spent time in London, there's absolutely no comparison. Heck, even just looking at the nightlife: pubs in London shut down before midnight on Fridays and Saturdays. That's completely unheard-of in most of NYC, even bars in the relatively residential areas. NYC also tends to have other businesses open earlier and close later than London (or most of Europe). In order for that to happen, it's necessary to have people who work the early/late/graveyard shifts, and those people are incredibly dependent on overnight service. It's unfortunate that you're mixing in overnight service with the rest of the points you make, because you're correct about the rest - the fares are a little too low right now, and rampant corruption at the TWU wastes what little money they do have.
  - Larrikin 9y ago
    So you admit that you want to go out drinking and this is the only reason you want the trains to run all night? Bars, izakayas, and clubs in Tokyo also stay open extremely late like in NYC and yet the city doesn't grind to a halt when the subway system closes.
    - chimeracoder 9y ago
      > So you admit that you want to go out drinking and this is the only reason you want the trains to run all night? I guess that's a way you could interpret my comment, if you read only the first paragraph and ignore the sentence that literally comes next.
    - objectivetruth 9y ago
      So what if they do want to go out drinking? What's your beef about this? Are bars and restaurants only OK to go to before a certain time? This citizen lives in a city where LOTS of stuff is open late and he/she would like to participate in this city. Not just bars. But even the bars have workers who still need to get there. And I'd guess the nightlife sector of NYC's economy is MUCH larger than any other city in the US.

rayiner 9y ago

> NYC is a 24-hour city in a way that cities like London are not. I highly doubt that’s true.

chimeracoder 9y ago
> I highly doubt that’s true. Having lived in New York for a decade and also spent time in London, there's absolutely no comparison. Heck, even just looking at the nightlife: pubs in London shut down before midnight on Fridays and Saturdays. That's completely unheard-of in most of NYC, even bars in the relatively residential areas. NYC also tends to have other businesses open earlier and close later than London (or most of Europe). In order for that to happen, it's necessary to have people who work the early/late/graveyard shifts, and those people are incredibly dependent on overnight service. It's unfortunate that you're mixing in overnight service with the rest of the points you make, because you're correct about the rest - the fares are a little too low right now, and rampant corruption at the TWU wastes what little money they do have.
- Larrikin 9y ago
  So you admit that you want to go out drinking and this is the only reason you want the trains to run all night? Bars, izakayas, and clubs in Tokyo also stay open extremely late like in NYC and yet the city doesn't grind to a halt when the subway system closes.
  - chimeracoder 9y ago
    > So you admit that you want to go out drinking and this is the only reason you want the trains to run all night? I guess that's a way you could interpret my comment, if you read only the first paragraph and ignore the sentence that literally comes next.
  - objectivetruth 9y ago
    So what if they do want to go out drinking? What's your beef about this? Are bars and restaurants only OK to go to before a certain time? This citizen lives in a city where LOTS of stuff is open late and he/she would like to participate in this city. Not just bars. But even the bars have workers who still need to get there. And I'd guess the nightlife sector of NYC's economy is MUCH larger than any other city in the US.