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The "pro meat" (or should I say "meat health and environmental damage negationists") circle jerk on HN is sure strong, looking at your post and below's slowly f

The "pro meat" (or should I say "meat health and environmental damage negationists") circle jerk on HN is sure strong, looking at your post and below's slowly fading away. I'm amazed everytime how the majority here, people who seem in other conditions able of logical reasoning, are just impermeable to unpleasant facts. You bring up good arguments.

Danihan 9y ago
So the tens of thousands of people who have successfully used a keto diet to induce autophagy and lose weight are all just.. making it up, in your mind? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ Maybe you should admit it's a bit more complicated than you seem to realize.
- hycaria 9y ago
  Does keto diets have anything to do with the arguments presented by above poster, that could explain the downvotes ? Did I mention keto diets ? What is your point ?
  - Danihan 9y ago
    Yes, keto diets are generally very meat-centric, are they not? How does that gel with your accusations of circlejerks and so forth?
- tkyjonathan 9y ago
  "Long-term effects of a ketogenic diet in obese patients".. read the first line. Its 16-24 weeks. Thats not exactly long term. Also, the study was done for people at home, not in a clinical ward. Try this 8 year study instead https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131 Or if you want a long term RCT, try this 74 week one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401
jknoepfler 9y ago
Discussing a "circle jerk" (not a term consistent with the standards of discussion here) amongst an unnamed deluded majority that "seems to" exist is a rhetorical strategy that I will downvote, despite my generally vegetarian/sustainable meat consumption leanings
- hycaria 9y ago
  Do you have another explanation as to why the post which I responded to is solidly downvoted, with no answer or contest of its arguments which could explain this phenomenon ?

Danihan 9y ago

So the tens of thousands of people who have successfully used a keto diet to induce autophagy and lose weight are all just.. making it up, in your mind? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ Maybe you should admit it's a bit more complicated than you seem to realize.

hycaria 9y ago
Does keto diets have anything to do with the arguments presented by above poster, that could explain the downvotes ? Did I mention keto diets ? What is your point ?
- Danihan 9y ago
  Yes, keto diets are generally very meat-centric, are they not? How does that gel with your accusations of circlejerks and so forth?
tkyjonathan 9y ago
"Long-term effects of a ketogenic diet in obese patients".. read the first line. Its 16-24 weeks. Thats not exactly long term. Also, the study was done for people at home, not in a clinical ward. Try this 8 year study instead https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131 Or if you want a long term RCT, try this 74 week one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401

jknoepfler 9y ago

Discussing a "circle jerk" (not a term consistent with the standards of discussion here) amongst an unnamed deluded majority that "seems to" exist is a rhetorical strategy that I will downvote, despite my generally vegetarian/sustainable meat consumption leanings

hycaria 9y ago
Do you have another explanation as to why the post which I responded to is solidly downvoted, with no answer or contest of its arguments which could explain this phenomenon ?