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Try tyranny of socialism is far, far worse. Nothing is perfect and imagining it can be will get people killed (Russia, Venezuela, China, Cuba, etc.). Individua
by johndevor 9y ago
Try tyranny of socialism is far, far worse. Nothing is perfect and imagining it can be will get people killed (Russia, Venezuela, China, Cuba, etc.).
Individual rights are what makes the West successful compared to the rest of the world.
- ceejayoz 9y ago> Individual rights are what makes the West successful compared to the rest of the world. We're talking about Western-style democratic socialism, as found in Sweden, Norway, Germany, England, etc. here. Terrifying totalitarian hellholes they're not.
- libertyEQ 9y agoI agree with what you wrote, but why does the US have be the same as those countries? Why can't there be a variety of implementations of government such that different humans can choose different situations for their own needs? I'd still like to see Cuba change to a fully democratic communist state, for example.
- Koshkin 9y ago> democratic communist state I wonder if this is not an oxymoron. In my view, democracy means (a lot of) politics, while communism means no or very little politics (in a true sense of the word).
- beagle3 9y agoIt shouldn’t and it doesn’t. But when you discover that a system has way better objective outcomes, e.g. in the case of drug policy or healthcare policy, it’s a shame not to upgrade to a similar system. Really, the US has a lot of good systems, but healthcare isn’t one of them.
- Koshkin 9y agoTo be fair, totalitarian regimes are not always socialist, especially the outright fascist ones.
- johndevor 9y agoWhat are some examples?
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_totalitarian_regimes#Nationalist_totalitarian_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_totalitarian_regimes#N... Just scroll down.
- johndevor 9y agoWhat do you think will happen when these countries massive debts come due? I don't think they'll be peaceful then. They are living on the backs of their unborn children right now.
- ceejayoz 9y agoThese debts come due all the time. The US has one of the highest debt-to-GDP ratios of the OECD. All of the countries I mentioned have lower debt than we do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_de...
- Koshkin 9y agoThe socialism in Sweden has not killed anyone.
- fatwa 9y agoIt's raped a few, though.
- johndevor 9y agoNot yet, you mean.
- SketchySeaBeast 9y agoAt the moment the American quality of life is objective worse. The American healthcare system of today is killing people or bankrupting them, but Sweden's quality may one day decline to American levels, so that's a strong enough argument to say it's the worse choice?
- luck_fenovo 9y agoCapitalism + welfare does not equal socialism.
- Koshkin 9y agoWell, then "state capitalism" shouldn't, either.
- notfromhere 9y agoWhy are we pretending its a binary choice?