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> The Mozilla CEO fired for his personal donation in opposition to gay marriage. (Again, completely irrelevant to his relationship with the Mozilla project). H

> The Mozilla CEO fired for his personal donation in opposition to gay marriage. (Again, completely irrelevant to his relationship with the Mozilla project). He was fired as CEO, not as CTO or any other technical position. The CEO is meant to represent the organisation. Denying rights to individuals goes against Mozilla's ethos and detracts from its campaign goals. Put simply, if the CEO isn't supported by their org then they are an ineffective CEO.

dsacco 9y ago
> The CEO is meant to represent the organisation. Denying rights to individuals goes against Mozilla's ethos and detracts from its campaign goals. This implies Mozilla is intrinsically a political organization, because that’s an explicit stance on a political topic. I can buy your argument here about a CEO’s personal views being incompatible with their position, but it means we need to accept that the reason for that incompatibility is the organization must have political opinions. Does Mozilla describe itself as a political organization anywhere? I can’t immediately find a statement of its principles/values.
- rmc 9y ago
  > This implies Mozilla is intrinsically a political organization ... Does Mozilla describe itself as a political organization anywhere? I can’t immediately find a statement of its principles/values. Basically yes. Look at the "Mozilla Manifesto" ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/ ), some of which are quite political: > 2. The Internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible. > 4. Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. > 9. Commercial involvement in the development of the Internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial profit and public benefit is critical.
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- icebraining 9y ago
  All organizations are political.
syshum 9y ago
>> goes against Mozilla's ethos and detracts from its campaign goals. Mozilla violates its ethos and detracts from is stated goals all the time. From DRM Embedded in the browser, to Cliq Spyware, to the latest Adware forced installed on all users. The idea that Mozilla is a virtuous organization fighting for the rights of the disenfranchised is long dead
bobthechef 9y ago
That presumes that gay marriage is a right.
- ChrisSD 9y ago
  No, it presumes marriage is a right. Or rather it presumes that this isn't an area where the government should assert its control over people's personal lives.

dsacco 9y ago

> The CEO is meant to represent the organisation. Denying rights to individuals goes against Mozilla's ethos and detracts from its campaign goals. This implies Mozilla is intrinsically a political organization, because that’s an explicit stance on a political topic. I can buy your argument here about a CEO’s personal views being incompatible with their position, but it means we need to accept that the reason for that incompatibility is the organization must have political opinions. Does Mozilla describe itself as a political organization anywhere? I can’t immediately find a statement of its principles/values.

rmc 9y ago
> This implies Mozilla is intrinsically a political organization ... Does Mozilla describe itself as a political organization anywhere? I can’t immediately find a statement of its principles/values. Basically yes. Look at the "Mozilla Manifesto" ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/ ), some of which are quite political: > 2. The Internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible. > 4. Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. > 9. Commercial involvement in the development of the Internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial profit and public benefit is critical.
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icebraining 9y ago
All organizations are political.

syshum 9y ago

>> goes against Mozilla's ethos and detracts from its campaign goals. Mozilla violates its ethos and detracts from is stated goals all the time. From DRM Embedded in the browser, to Cliq Spyware, to the latest Adware forced installed on all users. The idea that Mozilla is a virtuous organization fighting for the rights of the disenfranchised is long dead

bobthechef 9y ago

That presumes that gay marriage is a right.

ChrisSD 9y ago
No, it presumes marriage is a right. Or rather it presumes that this isn't an area where the government should assert its control over people's personal lives.