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This is precrime. And how do you rehabilitate them without giving them the opportunity to participate in the community? Deal with problems when they occur.

mannykannot 9y ago
> This is precrime. Exactly - a lack of trustworthiness can be demonstrated long before any crime has been committed. > And how do you rehabilitate them without giving them the opportunity to participate in the community? Your use of 'community' in this argument precludes there being an inside and outside, so it is not relevant to the question posed in the article's title. Furthermore, there is an answer - rehabilitation starts in environments where the risk is limited.
- ThrowawayR2 9y ago
  And when public opinion changes so that your political opinions are out of fashion, that same "precrime" argument will be used to lock you out of society. Authoritarian liberals seem to forget that what goes around, comes around.
  - mannykannot 9y ago
    My mistake - I took 'precrime' to mean simply an act that does not or has not yet amounted to a criminal act, but I see it is a term of art for punishing people on the basis of what they might do. There is nothing very wrong, IMHO, in choosing who you put your trust in and with who you associate on the basis of what they have already done. The first three words of the article are "free software communities...": its not about society as a whole, or any situation where exclusion could reasonably be considered punishment.
viraptor 9y ago
> This is precrime. ... Deal with problems when they occur. Here's an example situation: you know that a person trying to join a project related to managing money has a history of defrauding employers, starting mlm/Ponzi schemes, scamming people, selling personal information. Do you let them get involved with the project and wait until any problem occurs, because all the problems so far were caused outside of this community?
- jhasse 9y ago
  Yes.
794CD01 9y ago
Precrime is the best crime. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

mannykannot 9y ago

> This is precrime. Exactly - a lack of trustworthiness can be demonstrated long before any crime has been committed. > And how do you rehabilitate them without giving them the opportunity to participate in the community? Your use of 'community' in this argument precludes there being an inside and outside, so it is not relevant to the question posed in the article's title. Furthermore, there is an answer - rehabilitation starts in environments where the risk is limited.

ThrowawayR2 9y ago
And when public opinion changes so that your political opinions are out of fashion, that same "precrime" argument will be used to lock you out of society. Authoritarian liberals seem to forget that what goes around, comes around.
- mannykannot 9y ago
  My mistake - I took 'precrime' to mean simply an act that does not or has not yet amounted to a criminal act, but I see it is a term of art for punishing people on the basis of what they might do. There is nothing very wrong, IMHO, in choosing who you put your trust in and with who you associate on the basis of what they have already done. The first three words of the article are "free software communities...": its not about society as a whole, or any situation where exclusion could reasonably be considered punishment.

viraptor 9y ago

> This is precrime. ... Deal with problems when they occur. Here's an example situation: you know that a person trying to join a project related to managing money has a history of defrauding employers, starting mlm/Ponzi schemes, scamming people, selling personal information. Do you let them get involved with the project and wait until any problem occurs, because all the problems so far were caused outside of this community?

jhasse 9y ago
Yes.

794CD01 9y ago

Precrime is the best crime. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.