> because other cyclists are also often terrible in their behavior on the street well yes. car drivers are bad. but cyclists, are too. in germany, freiburg the

> because other cyclists are also often terrible in their behavior on the street well yes. car drivers are bad. but cyclists, are too. in germany, freiburg the cyclists basically drive how they want. which means, they do not care for red light, they cross zebra's mounted on the bike (which is a no-go since stopping for a _fast_ bike is basically way harder than stopping for walking people), they turn left without noticing traffic behind them, etc. this makes it hard to drive with cyclists. of course most car drivers also drive pretty recklessness.