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This dress code, much like “Oracle consulting”, has gone out of style.
by packetized 9y ago
This dress code, much like “Oracle consulting”, has gone out of style.
- killjoywashere 9y agoThis attitude is probably closely aligned with why the federal government can't find good help, and why start-ups struggle to attract federal contracts.
- quickben 9y agoHow you dress, matters.
- tytytytytytytyt 9y agoInteresting comma usage.
- quickben 9y agoI'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes my mind's plays with the delivery form in various languages :)
- TheCoelacanth 9y agoTrue, but following this guide to the letter will make you appear boring, overly conservative and unfashionable. Even people who still wear suits regularly would probably be well-advised to branch out a bit from a plain white shirt, black shoes and a conservative tie every day.
- quickben 9y agoYeah, just it's nice to have a good reference of what combination looks sharp. I added it for the next interview shoplist.
- ekianjo 9y agoDepends a lot on the industry.
- kxyvr 9y agoI do consulting work with scientific and engineering firms and I'll contend that it still largely holds. For me, the trick wasn't to look at how the engineers dress. Rather, it's how management dresses and they tend to adhere to moderately strict rules for dress. At the end of the day, they're the ones that sign my contract, so it's important that I communicate to them that I understand their rules of conduct. In case anyone is interested, Alan Flusser's book, "Dressing the Man: Mastering the Art of Permanent Fashion," provides a good background on the history of men's formal dress and why certain things are the way they are. Certainly, we can disagree as to whether it should be important, but clothing is a language, so we might as well understand what we're saying in a particular context.
- packetized 9y agoI would argue that this kind of social signaling is exceptionally secondary to “can they do the job as expected?”
- tensor 9y agoNot true, it's just changed. Now you are expected to come to work sandals jeans and a t-shirt. If you have the gall to wear a button up and kakis, oh the horror! I've personally been judged for "dressing up" in inexpensive button ups and kakis. So I ended up dressing down.
- packetized 9y ago“Not true, it’s just changed.” ...so you mean out of style?
- jopejosh 9y agoJudged by those wish you to lower yourself to their poor standards to ensure you don't elevate yourself to a position higher than theirs.
- DoreenMichele 9y agoActually, if you study the history of clothing (etc) , that isn't what it is about at all. It is a signalling of a maverick industry so powerful it can succeed without the approval or gatekeeping of stuffy banks etc. It is a huge middle finger to The Establishment. Think of how YC began with the idea of two guys in a cheap apartment seeking to be ramen profitable. I will suggest it is no coincidence that I have read that Paul Graham is fond of (iirc) cargo shorts and sandals. It's a hugely self entitled position that his personal comfort matters vastly more than the opinions of gatekeepers. There are good psychological reasons for enforcing it as an industrywide standard. You don't want people eroding that mindset of the industry or altering that social contract.
- dsacco 9y ago> It is a signalling of a maverick industry so powerful it can succeed without the approval or gatekeeping of stuffy banks etc. It is a huge middle finger to The Establishment. > There are good psychological reasons for enforcing it as an industrywide standard. You don't want people eroding that mindset of the industry or altering that social contract. If you dig into these two paragraphs a bit, you’ll see they’re incompatible. You’re just trading one establishment for a new one, which is evidently just a susceptible to gatekeeping and biases as the old one.