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Make house shows. Use alternative venues. Don't give them your energy.

by macawfish 9y ago

logfromblammo 9y ago
Did you understand that was a metaphor?
- macawfish 9y ago
  No, but my response applies in the abstract
  - logfromblammo 9y ago
    If the fancy club for rich people is the US, the only way you can get paid and not have the club take its cut is to move to another planet. You might be able to get around its house rules for performances by playing somewhere else, but it is literally the only available venue within 650 miles. If you even tried to set up a stage somewhere closer, bouncers loyal to the fancy club always arrive sooner or later to kick you out and burn it down. That's more than $100 in gas money, and at least 20 hours on the road, just to get to and from a gig at a different club. So there is a cost to you in sticking it to the club management by peacefully refusing to play for them on their stage. They know this when negotiating terms with you, and it allows them to capture some of that cost from the performers. Anyone willing and able to burn down the whole club can capture some of the potential cost of rebuilding it from the owners. "Yes, we could pay you a $20 stage fee and wait 3 hours to play, and not have to drive all the way to Club Canadia #3, or you could pay us $500 to go on stage right now, and you won't die in a fire and have your ashes added to the porcelain for the new urinals." You probably won't ever have to actually do that; they just have to believe your threat is credible in order to agree to a better deal. That's what the petty violence is good for. It makes the other guy have an inkling that maybe, just maybe, this person could murder them and/or burn everything they own, and so they shouldn't act like a complete ass. It still works when that other guy is completely devoid of empathy, conscience, or courtesy. Even if you don't believe in violence on principle, surely you must recognize the perception of weakness that can generate when in a negotiation with someone who does?
    - macawfish 9y ago
      I'm afraid you've lost me. It sounds like you're upset about taxes and big government? I'm thinking about movements. Movements can go and evolve their way out of the old incentive models. Jesus said "give ceasar his money" cause, e.g. you can't eat money, so why cling to it in the first place? I'm saying: transcend the club. Don't even try to compete with the old model, just outgrow it. You don't need to go anywhere and there will be nothing the old club owners would even recognize to burn down. Let them win at their game and find other ways to thrive.

Make house shows. Use alternative venues. Don't give them your energy.

logfromblammo 9y ago

Did you understand that was a metaphor?

macawfish 9y ago
No, but my response applies in the abstract
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  If the fancy club for rich people is the US, the only way you can get paid and not have the club take its cut is to move to another planet. You might be able to get around its house rules for performances by playing somewhere else, but it is literally the only available venue within 650 miles. If you even tried to set up a stage somewhere closer, bouncers loyal to the fancy club always arrive sooner or later to kick you out and burn it down. That's more than $100 in gas money, and at least 20 hours on the road, just to get to and from a gig at a different club. So there is a cost to you in sticking it to the club management by peacefully refusing to play for them on their stage. They know this when negotiating terms with you, and it allows them to capture some of that cost from the performers. Anyone willing and able to burn down the whole club can capture some of the potential cost of rebuilding it from the owners. "Yes, we could pay you a $20 stage fee and wait 3 hours to play, and not have to drive all the way to Club Canadia #3, or you could pay us $500 to go on stage right now, and you won't die in a fire and have your ashes added to the porcelain for the new urinals." You probably won't ever have to actually do that; they just have to believe your threat is credible in order to agree to a better deal. That's what the petty violence is good for. It makes the other guy have an inkling that maybe, just maybe, this person could murder them and/or burn everything they own, and so they shouldn't act like a complete ass. It still works when that other guy is completely devoid of empathy, conscience, or courtesy. Even if you don't believe in violence on principle, surely you must recognize the perception of weakness that can generate when in a negotiation with someone who does?
  - macawfish 9y ago
    I'm afraid you've lost me. It sounds like you're upset about taxes and big government? I'm thinking about movements. Movements can go and evolve their way out of the old incentive models. Jesus said "give ceasar his money" cause, e.g. you can't eat money, so why cling to it in the first place? I'm saying: transcend the club. Don't even try to compete with the old model, just outgrow it. You don't need to go anywhere and there will be nothing the old club owners would even recognize to burn down. Let them win at their game and find other ways to thrive.