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I'm not sure why this is being downvoted, other than that it isn't precise. I'm general you can't trust regulators or legislators at the federal level.

emodendroket 9y ago
If you take this argument to its logical conclusion there is no point arguing about the law in the first place.
- wasx 9y ago
  Their criticism wasn't of the law but of the undue influence of lobbyists in the American political system.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    If you "cannot trust regulators or legislators at the federal level" how can you trust the laws? Who writes them, and who enforces them, if not legislators and regulators, respectively?
    - wasx 9y ago
      Right but they're not saying they don't trust regulators and legislators as a concept, they're saying they don't trust them when they're basically writing what lobbyists tell them to. It's right they don't trust the law, but their criticism isn't of law and regulation. It's of lobbyists.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        But I mean if they're really completely compromised then it doesn't much matter. I share the OP's concerns but I think he goes too far in his claims.
        yakt 9y ago
        We better pay attention to his "too far in claims" before it becomes too far in damage and deaths.
    - kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
      Legislators tend to not write the laws anymore. They just take the copy the lobby groups have prepared in advance and submit it as a bill. Congressmen don't even bother to read the laws they vote for.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        They do not literally write the laws in most cases but I don't see how that affects the argument.
- phjesusthatguy3 9y ago
  The Law is "keep your appendages to yourself". Apparently I am my brother's keeper and I need to tell y'all that, because y'all can't do it.
  - phjesusthatguy3 9y ago
    Why aren't you white men keeping each other from raping people? This is clearly an issue; even white women come forward and complain about it. Maybe the president should bar white men from entering the country because they rape so much.
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- QAPereo 9y ago
  Maybe you can’t trust them with novel pathogens designed to kill people.
- jknoepfler 9y ago
  The regulatory agencies responsible for ensuring compliance with safety and health standards in the USA have a rich history of being cozy with industry (see the fallout after the gulf oil spill, for example). These agencies are overseen by political appointees who are not reliable, and may even oppose the mission of the agency (see the current EPA). Creating an approval channel creates a path to false- positive legality that I don't think should exist. There's a substantive distinction between keeping the whole enterprise strictly verboten and creating an exploitable legal grey area. I'd prefer if drilling for oil in the gulf were illegal, not legal with regulatory oversite, for example. I don't think a pessimistic outlook on the reliability of federal oversight is unwarranted, given my (admittedly dim) view of how the process has worked in the past. To be more constructive: I'm up for substantive suggestions for ensuring more transparent and reliable oversite than exists today.

emodendroket 9y ago

If you take this argument to its logical conclusion there is no point arguing about the law in the first place.

wasx 9y ago
Their criticism wasn't of the law but of the undue influence of lobbyists in the American political system.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  If you "cannot trust regulators or legislators at the federal level" how can you trust the laws? Who writes them, and who enforces them, if not legislators and regulators, respectively?
  - wasx 9y ago
    Right but they're not saying they don't trust regulators and legislators as a concept, they're saying they don't trust them when they're basically writing what lobbyists tell them to. It's right they don't trust the law, but their criticism isn't of law and regulation. It's of lobbyists.
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      But I mean if they're really completely compromised then it doesn't much matter. I share the OP's concerns but I think he goes too far in his claims.
      - yakt 9y ago
        We better pay attention to his "too far in claims" before it becomes too far in damage and deaths.
  - kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
    Legislators tend to not write the laws anymore. They just take the copy the lobby groups have prepared in advance and submit it as a bill. Congressmen don't even bother to read the laws they vote for.
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      They do not literally write the laws in most cases but I don't see how that affects the argument.
phjesusthatguy3 9y ago
The Law is "keep your appendages to yourself". Apparently I am my brother's keeper and I need to tell y'all that, because y'all can't do it.
- phjesusthatguy3 9y ago
  Why aren't you white men keeping each other from raping people? This is clearly an issue; even white women come forward and complain about it. Maybe the president should bar white men from entering the country because they rape so much.
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QAPereo 9y ago
Maybe you can’t trust them with novel pathogens designed to kill people.
jknoepfler 9y ago
The regulatory agencies responsible for ensuring compliance with safety and health standards in the USA have a rich history of being cozy with industry (see the fallout after the gulf oil spill, for example). These agencies are overseen by political appointees who are not reliable, and may even oppose the mission of the agency (see the current EPA). Creating an approval channel creates a path to false- positive legality that I don't think should exist. There's a substantive distinction between keeping the whole enterprise strictly verboten and creating an exploitable legal grey area. I'd prefer if drilling for oil in the gulf were illegal, not legal with regulatory oversite, for example. I don't think a pessimistic outlook on the reliability of federal oversight is unwarranted, given my (admittedly dim) view of how the process has worked in the past. To be more constructive: I'm up for substantive suggestions for ensuring more transparent and reliable oversite than exists today.