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Is there such a thing as vapor languages? I feel like crystal and elixir are vapor languages.

by genzoman 9y ago

klez 9y ago
Crystal, I don't know, but how is Elixir vapor?
- genzoman 9y ago
  I honestly don't know a ton about it, but I see it mentioned in the same cool kid crowd of "rubyists" a lot.
  - klez 9y ago
    Then I guess you just have a weird concept of what 'vapor' is in this context. I believe you were thinking about so-called "hipster languages".
  - ch4s3 9y ago
    You should swing by https://elixirforum.com/ https://elixirforum.com/ and see what's going on in the community. There are a lot of ELixir users who come from Java, OCaml, Haskell, Ruby, C#/F#, and further afield. It's a great language with a really sold niche in building systems with low latency, high availability, and good parallel data processing.
  - 15155 9y ago
    The language works. It has a full toolchain. It has Erlang interoperability. If the entire Elixir project and team disappeared tomorrow, I could still write the same software and deploy it to the same (decades-old) BEAM VM.
RX14 9y ago
I'd hardly call a language with a fully-functioning compiler, a fairly complete standard library, which is being used in production in multiple (albeit small) companies as vaporware.
chrisseaton 9y ago
If you are wondering why people seem a bit offended by your comment, it's because calling something vapourware has an implication almost of dishonesty or a con. Crystal is real software that you can use today and build yourself and modify. It's doesn't make sense to accuse it of being vapourware.
- aisofteng 9y ago
  I've always taken "vaporware" to refer to abandoned software.
  - grzm 9y ago
    This makes sense if you mean abandoned before release. > "In the computer industry, vaporware (Brit. vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware Ha! It's even made it into Merriam-Webster's! https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware > "a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available"

Is there such a thing as vapor languages? I feel like crystal and elixir are vapor languages.

klez 9y ago

Crystal, I don't know, but how is Elixir vapor?

genzoman 9y ago
I honestly don't know a ton about it, but I see it mentioned in the same cool kid crowd of "rubyists" a lot.
- klez 9y ago
  Then I guess you just have a weird concept of what 'vapor' is in this context. I believe you were thinking about so-called "hipster languages".
- ch4s3 9y ago
  You should swing by https://elixirforum.com/ https://elixirforum.com/ and see what's going on in the community. There are a lot of ELixir users who come from Java, OCaml, Haskell, Ruby, C#/F#, and further afield. It's a great language with a really sold niche in building systems with low latency, high availability, and good parallel data processing.
- 15155 9y ago
  The language works. It has a full toolchain. It has Erlang interoperability. If the entire Elixir project and team disappeared tomorrow, I could still write the same software and deploy it to the same (decades-old) BEAM VM.

RX14 9y ago

I'd hardly call a language with a fully-functioning compiler, a fairly complete standard library, which is being used in production in multiple (albeit small) companies as vaporware.

chrisseaton 9y ago

If you are wondering why people seem a bit offended by your comment, it's because calling something vapourware has an implication almost of dishonesty or a con. Crystal is real software that you can use today and build yourself and modify. It's doesn't make sense to accuse it of being vapourware.

aisofteng 9y ago
I've always taken "vaporware" to refer to abandoned software.
- grzm 9y ago
  This makes sense if you mean abandoned before release. > "In the computer industry, vaporware (Brit. vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware Ha! It's even made it into Merriam-Webster's! https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware > "a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available"