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The ads still have to satisfy the Acceptable Ads criteria and they only have to pay when they exceed a certain volume (as in everyone besides the big players do

The ads still have to satisfy the Acceptable Ads criteria and they only have to pay when they exceed a certain volume (as in everyone besides the big players doesn't have to pay a cent). There is an opt-out checkbox in the settings.

Nadya 9y ago
>There is an opt-out checkbox in the settings. Which should be opt-in. And if nobody wants to opt-in there is the problem; it's going against what the users want. Most people never change default settings of software they install so "opt-in" may as well not have a way to "opt-out" except as a scapegoat to say you can.
- def_true_false 9y ago
  > Most people never change default settings of software they install so "opt-in" may as well not have a way to "opt-out" except as a scapegoat to say you can. You might as well just blame the browser vendor for not having a built-in ad blocker, URL rewriter (Google search results), not disabling 3rd party cookies or whatever else the flavour of the month in abusing-features-for-tracking is. The people who never look into the settings probably didn't install the ad blocker themselves in the first place...
  - Nadya 9y ago
    >The people who never look into the settings probably didn't install the ad blocker themselves in the first place. Not true. Even most people who install an AdBlocker will not change their settings. If you change your settings, you're part of a very small minority. Businesses often use this to increase tips. Imagine two settings: 1) Enter your own amount (default of $0.00) 2) Four options: 15%, 20%, 25%, Other If you use #1 you'll receive fewer tips. Many people will leave it to $0.00. If you use #2, most people will tip and of those tips most will be 15-20%. [0] https://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2011/09/14/do-users-change-their-settings/ https://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2011/09/14/do-users-change-t... [1] https://www.fastcodesign.com/3022182/how-square-registers-ui-guilts-you-into-leaving-tips https://www.fastcodesign.com/3022182/how-square-registers-ui...
    - def_true_false 9y ago
      Interesting. However, AFAIK, the regional block lists are not enabled by default (not sure about ABP, but it's definitely the case with UBO), which makes it pretty useless without further setup for a sizeable part of the userbase, so I'd expect that most people who are capable of installing the extension are also capable of at least basic set up.
      - gorhill 9y ago
        > the regional block lists are not enabled by default (not sure about ABP, but it's definitely the case with UBO) uBO does select relevant regional list(s), if any, at first install according to the browser locale. I am pretty sure it's the same with ABP.
        def_true_false 9y ago
        I see. That's actually really neat. I was pretty sure that it didn't select them when I installed it on a machine couple months ago (Germany), but I suppose my memory might be playing tricks on me. Or perhaps the machine didn't have the locale set up properly (not my machine, so idk). I've never noticed this since my machines are usually set to either US or UK locales, but this is very nice for lots of people here... Thanks for making uBO!
radley 9y ago
Opt-out didn't actually opt-out of certain features of the ad deal. For example, YouTube's Up Next list contained risqué Sponsored videos at the top of the list. Prior to the deal they could be blocked. After the deal they couldn't, not even with AdBlock Extensions.
- def_true_false 9y ago
  Good to know. I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad on youtube that didn't go away after updating the block list. I've since switched to UBO for performance reasons, but as far as I can tell ABP always did exactly what it said on the tin. Edit: I haven't actually spent enough time with the opt-out unchecked to come across one of these. I suppose it's the nature of the implementation - unless you have humans reviewing the ads or something of the sort, you'll never be able to filter them with 100% certainty.

Nadya 9y ago

>There is an opt-out checkbox in the settings. Which should be opt-in. And if nobody wants to opt-in there is the problem; it's going against what the users want. Most people never change default settings of software they install so "opt-in" may as well not have a way to "opt-out" except as a scapegoat to say you can.

def_true_false 9y ago
> Most people never change default settings of software they install so "opt-in" may as well not have a way to "opt-out" except as a scapegoat to say you can. You might as well just blame the browser vendor for not having a built-in ad blocker, URL rewriter (Google search results), not disabling 3rd party cookies or whatever else the flavour of the month in abusing-features-for-tracking is. The people who never look into the settings probably didn't install the ad blocker themselves in the first place...
- Nadya 9y ago
  >The people who never look into the settings probably didn't install the ad blocker themselves in the first place. Not true. Even most people who install an AdBlocker will not change their settings. If you change your settings, you're part of a very small minority. Businesses often use this to increase tips. Imagine two settings: 1) Enter your own amount (default of $0.00) 2) Four options: 15%, 20%, 25%, Other If you use #1 you'll receive fewer tips. Many people will leave it to $0.00. If you use #2, most people will tip and of those tips most will be 15-20%. [0] https://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2011/09/14/do-users-change-their-settings/ https://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2011/09/14/do-users-change-t... [1] https://www.fastcodesign.com/3022182/how-square-registers-ui-guilts-you-into-leaving-tips https://www.fastcodesign.com/3022182/how-square-registers-ui...
  - def_true_false 9y ago
    Interesting. However, AFAIK, the regional block lists are not enabled by default (not sure about ABP, but it's definitely the case with UBO), which makes it pretty useless without further setup for a sizeable part of the userbase, so I'd expect that most people who are capable of installing the extension are also capable of at least basic set up.
    - gorhill 9y ago
      > the regional block lists are not enabled by default (not sure about ABP, but it's definitely the case with UBO) uBO does select relevant regional list(s), if any, at first install according to the browser locale. I am pretty sure it's the same with ABP.
      - def_true_false 9y ago
        I see. That's actually really neat. I was pretty sure that it didn't select them when I installed it on a machine couple months ago (Germany), but I suppose my memory might be playing tricks on me. Or perhaps the machine didn't have the locale set up properly (not my machine, so idk). I've never noticed this since my machines are usually set to either US or UK locales, but this is very nice for lots of people here... Thanks for making uBO!

radley 9y ago

Opt-out didn't actually opt-out of certain features of the ad deal. For example, YouTube's Up Next list contained risqué Sponsored videos at the top of the list. Prior to the deal they could be blocked. After the deal they couldn't, not even with AdBlock Extensions.

def_true_false 9y ago
Good to know. I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad on youtube that didn't go away after updating the block list. I've since switched to UBO for performance reasons, but as far as I can tell ABP always did exactly what it said on the tin. Edit: I haven't actually spent enough time with the opt-out unchecked to come across one of these. I suppose it's the nature of the implementation - unless you have humans reviewing the ads or something of the sort, you'll never be able to filter them with 100% certainty.