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Having IE pre installed is a necessary. How do you use the internet with nothing installed? What's next? We're going to force shipping cars without wheels. It'

Having IE pre installed is a necessary. How do you use the internet with nothing installed? What's next? We're going to force shipping cars without wheels. It's unfair to decide what brand people should use without their consent.

visarga 9y ago
> Having IE pre installed is a necessary. How do you the internet with nothing installed? Evidently, you can use a CD or 100 floppy disks. But not necessary because IE is the best tool in the world for installing Chrome and Mozilla.
vanadium 9y ago
You might remember this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/eu-fines-microsoft-e561-million-for-not-giving-users-a-browser-choice/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/eu-fines-microso... Of course, that ended not too long ago. While having IE was necessary to hit the web, it immediately presented the choices available.
- user5994461 9y ago
  I remember. It was so confusing and so annoying. It's like the one hundreds question the first time you opened the windows media player. Why can't I play my music???
betterunix2 9y ago
The EU forced Microsoft to give Windows users a choice of browsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu Having IE preinstalled was not necessary; OEMs could have (and some did) preinstall other browsers. What happened was that Microsoft decided to base unrelated parts of Windows on IE so that their browser would have to be preinstalled (Windows would not function without it). There was top-level direction on that decision and it was not actually motivated by a specific technical need.
- user5994461 9y ago
  OEM get paid to install software, they are not a receivable argument for what should be in a reasonable default install.
  - betterunix2 9y ago
    Maybe so, but there is also the fact that a lot of third-party software for Windows used IE simply because it was there, which obviously ate the market share of other browsers.

visarga 9y ago

> Having IE pre installed is a necessary. How do you the internet with nothing installed? Evidently, you can use a CD or 100 floppy disks. But not necessary because IE is the best tool in the world for installing Chrome and Mozilla.

vanadium 9y ago

You might remember this: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/eu-fines-microsoft-e561-million-for-not-giving-users-a-browser-choice/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/eu-fines-microso... Of course, that ended not too long ago. While having IE was necessary to hit the web, it immediately presented the choices available.

user5994461 9y ago
I remember. It was so confusing and so annoying. It's like the one hundreds question the first time you opened the windows media player. Why can't I play my music???

betterunix2 9y ago

The EU forced Microsoft to give Windows users a choice of browsers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu Having IE preinstalled was not necessary; OEMs could have (and some did) preinstall other browsers. What happened was that Microsoft decided to base unrelated parts of Windows on IE so that their browser would have to be preinstalled (Windows would not function without it). There was top-level direction on that decision and it was not actually motivated by a specific technical need.

user5994461 9y ago
OEM get paid to install software, they are not a receivable argument for what should be in a reasonable default install.
- betterunix2 9y ago
  Maybe so, but there is also the fact that a lot of third-party software for Windows used IE simply because it was there, which obviously ate the market share of other browsers.