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"It's my data" - this is absurd. Observations I make are mine, if I observe you it's my observation. I can tell stories about my observations, but if I make p

"It's my data" - this is absurd. Observations I make are mine, if I observe you it's my observation. I can tell stories about my observations, but if I make public statements about you that are false, that's a tort.

njarboe 9y ago
This is what needs to happen. "identity theft" is what people fear. It would not happen if the banks got sued for big money and lost every time they lied to credit agencies about debts you did not default on. All this data breach stuff is mostly a bait and switch tactic from the real problem stemming from bank slander. Your security clearance report stolen by the Chineese from the US government OPM database[1]. This could be a real problem for you. Information anyone can get by paying for it? This would not be a problem if credit fraud and credit reports were not such a big problem. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us/breach-in-a-federal-computer-system-exposes-personnel-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us/breach-in-a-federal-co...
- PeterisP 9y ago
  "if the banks got sued for big money and lost every time they lied to credit agencies about debts you did not default on" is pretty much the situation in most (all?) of EU; if you dispute the claim, then the debt can't be reported to anyone else unless they can prove that it was you, and no, "they knew your magic number and your mother's maiden name" doesn't count as evidence. Coincidentally, we don't have the same types of mass identity theft issues that USA has.
barrkel 9y ago
If that were true, your "observations" of a movie would give you the right to reproduce it, and that's not the case today.
- njarboe 9y ago
  Generally facts can't be copyrighted. I think a lawsuit about copying the phone book contents is usually given as the basis for that legal precedent.
  - barrkel 9y ago
    Observations of behaviour are not normally isolated to facts, they're integrated to create models of behaviour. I was specifically giving an example of why your observations don't automatically mean you have ownership today. I'm personally in favour of laws that ensure such observations are more explicitly owned by the observee in corporate scenarios.
raverbashing 9y ago
You're not observing anything, you're asking for the data

njarboe 9y ago

This is what needs to happen. "identity theft" is what people fear. It would not happen if the banks got sued for big money and lost every time they lied to credit agencies about debts you did not default on. All this data breach stuff is mostly a bait and switch tactic from the real problem stemming from bank slander. Your security clearance report stolen by the Chineese from the US government OPM database[1]. This could be a real problem for you. Information anyone can get by paying for it? This would not be a problem if credit fraud and credit reports were not such a big problem. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us/breach-in-a-federal-computer-system-exposes-personnel-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us/breach-in-a-federal-co...

PeterisP 9y ago
"if the banks got sued for big money and lost every time they lied to credit agencies about debts you did not default on" is pretty much the situation in most (all?) of EU; if you dispute the claim, then the debt can't be reported to anyone else unless they can prove that it was you, and no, "they knew your magic number and your mother's maiden name" doesn't count as evidence. Coincidentally, we don't have the same types of mass identity theft issues that USA has.

barrkel 9y ago

If that were true, your "observations" of a movie would give you the right to reproduce it, and that's not the case today.

njarboe 9y ago
Generally facts can't be copyrighted. I think a lawsuit about copying the phone book contents is usually given as the basis for that legal precedent.
- barrkel 9y ago
  Observations of behaviour are not normally isolated to facts, they're integrated to create models of behaviour. I was specifically giving an example of why your observations don't automatically mean you have ownership today. I'm personally in favour of laws that ensure such observations are more explicitly owned by the observee in corporate scenarios.

raverbashing 9y ago

You're not observing anything, you're asking for the data