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This isn't a solution. It's a trade off like every other decision.

ohyes 9y ago
Yeah thats true it’s a tradeoff, but by that definition there are no solutions to anything. So I’d argue it’s both a solution and a tradeoff.
- asimpletune 9y ago
  There are definitely still solutions.
  - Whitestrake 9y ago
    Other than: 1. Allow performance to degrade 2. Allow longevity to degrade 3. Allow the battery to be replaced 4. Some revolutionary battery technology that doesn't degrade?? What solutions are you thinking of?
    - rileymat2 9y ago
      Let the user toggle between 1 and 2? Which could be useful for new phones where, even though currently full, you know you won’t be able to charge next.
      - Fnoord 9y ago
        > Let the user toggle between 1 and 2? Wrong company, pal. Apple historically decides for the user. Heck, they still do it with their App Store. Often that may go right, but not always.
        evilduck 9y ago
        Apple already includes a low power mode toggle. It could be updated or altered to account for this.
        Whitestrake 9y ago
        For comparison, my Samsung phones have had CPU underclocking in the low power modes. I'm not sure if that's true of all Androids or not.
    - ohyes 9y ago
      Well, they've actually done kinetic charging smartphones, but it had a battery and i believe it was extremely expensive. So if you did that and instead of a battery combined it with a (relatively large) capacitor (or some sort of amazing spring) you could have the iPhone equivalent of a shake and shine flashlight. (One bonus being that there would be absolutely no holes, as it would not be possible to charge it via a wall outlet). It would be completely impractical, but there wouldn't be a battery, so the battery wouldn't degrade. The alternative storage mechanism might degrade, and who knows what all of the shaking would do to the delicate electronics, likely nothing good. Anyway, I think it'll catch on. I look forward to watching young people on the train shake their iPhone vigorously before making a silly face and taking a picture of themselves in 10 years time.
znpy 9y ago
Immagine having a car whose gas tank you are not allowed to refill...
- nkristoffersen 9y ago
  And yet, in this analogy, you can refill/recharge the tank/battery. And if your tank/battery becomes faulty, you can replace the tank/battery. Just like reality :-)
- morganvachon 9y ago
  Besides the fact that car/device analogies are always flawed, yours is approaching it from the wrong angle in the first place. The "tank" is the physical battery, and we "refill" it by recharging it. Apple wouldn't stop its users from recharging the phone, that would be insane. To try to salvage your analogy, I'll put forth an anecdote. Last year I restored my deceased father's 1988 Bronco II. One of the issues it had was low fuel pressure, which I narrowed down to the in-tank fuel pump (the Bronco was over-engineered and had two pumps, one in the tank and one on the frame). It wasn't able to push fuel fast enough for the engine to run at top performance. Sound familiar? So I had two choices, replace it myself or take it to a shop, kind of like how you can attempt to replace your phone's battery if you know what you're doing, or take it to a repair shop and let a pro do it for a fee. I'm a competent shadetree mechanic, so I did it myself and saved a few hundred dollars, and it is back to normal operation again.
- TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
  Imagine a car with a gas tank that shrinks over time, and whose top speed drops accordingly. Imagine that some cars allow the gas tank to be changed by the user. But this one doesn't. Imagine the company that makes the car never mentions the shrinkage or the gradual reduction in top speed, and has no program or system that allows you to fix this - beyond buying a newer car.
  - schrodinger 9y ago
    >Imagine the company that makes the car never mentions the shrinkage or the gradual reduction in top speed, and has no program or system that allows you to fix this - beyond buying a newer car. They'll replace the battery for you, or there are a ton of 3rd party places that'll do it.

Yeah thats true it’s a tradeoff, but by that definition there are no solutions to anything. So I’d argue it’s both a solution and a tradeoff.

asimpletune 9y ago
There are definitely still solutions.
- Whitestrake 9y ago
  Other than: 1. Allow performance to degrade 2. Allow longevity to degrade 3. Allow the battery to be replaced 4. Some revolutionary battery technology that doesn't degrade?? What solutions are you thinking of?
  - rileymat2 9y ago
    Let the user toggle between 1 and 2? Which could be useful for new phones where, even though currently full, you know you won’t be able to charge next.
    - Fnoord 9y ago
      > Let the user toggle between 1 and 2? Wrong company, pal. Apple historically decides for the user. Heck, they still do it with their App Store. Often that may go right, but not always.
      - evilduck 9y ago
        Apple already includes a low power mode toggle. It could be updated or altered to account for this.
        Whitestrake 9y ago
        For comparison, my Samsung phones have had CPU underclocking in the low power modes. I'm not sure if that's true of all Androids or not.
  - ohyes 9y ago
    Well, they've actually done kinetic charging smartphones, but it had a battery and i believe it was extremely expensive. So if you did that and instead of a battery combined it with a (relatively large) capacitor (or some sort of amazing spring) you could have the iPhone equivalent of a shake and shine flashlight. (One bonus being that there would be absolutely no holes, as it would not be possible to charge it via a wall outlet). It would be completely impractical, but there wouldn't be a battery, so the battery wouldn't degrade. The alternative storage mechanism might degrade, and who knows what all of the shaking would do to the delicate electronics, likely nothing good. Anyway, I think it'll catch on. I look forward to watching young people on the train shake their iPhone vigorously before making a silly face and taking a picture of themselves in 10 years time.

znpy 9y ago

Immagine having a car whose gas tank you are not allowed to refill...

nkristoffersen 9y ago
And yet, in this analogy, you can refill/recharge the tank/battery. And if your tank/battery becomes faulty, you can replace the tank/battery. Just like reality :-)
morganvachon 9y ago
Besides the fact that car/device analogies are always flawed, yours is approaching it from the wrong angle in the first place. The "tank" is the physical battery, and we "refill" it by recharging it. Apple wouldn't stop its users from recharging the phone, that would be insane. To try to salvage your analogy, I'll put forth an anecdote. Last year I restored my deceased father's 1988 Bronco II. One of the issues it had was low fuel pressure, which I narrowed down to the in-tank fuel pump (the Bronco was over-engineered and had two pumps, one in the tank and one on the frame). It wasn't able to push fuel fast enough for the engine to run at top performance. Sound familiar? So I had two choices, replace it myself or take it to a shop, kind of like how you can attempt to replace your phone's battery if you know what you're doing, or take it to a repair shop and let a pro do it for a fee. I'm a competent shadetree mechanic, so I did it myself and saved a few hundred dollars, and it is back to normal operation again.
TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
Imagine a car with a gas tank that shrinks over time, and whose top speed drops accordingly. Imagine that some cars allow the gas tank to be changed by the user. But this one doesn't. Imagine the company that makes the car never mentions the shrinkage or the gradual reduction in top speed, and has no program or system that allows you to fix this - beyond buying a newer car.
- schrodinger 9y ago
  >Imagine the company that makes the car never mentions the shrinkage or the gradual reduction in top speed, and has no program or system that allows you to fix this - beyond buying a newer car. They'll replace the battery for you, or there are a ton of 3rd party places that'll do it.