4 ms·

A perfect example would be the immigration debate. I believe if you are in this country ilegally you should be deported. Apparantly, according to many many libe

A perfect example would be the immigration debate. I believe if you are in this country ilegally you should be deported. Apparantly, according to many many liberals, that makes me a "racist." Of course race has nothing to do with it, I couldn't care less what color you are , if you're here illegally you need to be deported. And it's not just me, but I constantly see others who have the same beliefs getting accused of being racist. And that's just one example. I've seen people be accused of being sexist just because they didn't like Hilary Clinton. It was actually really common for liberals to accuse opponents of Clinton of being sexist regardless of the total absence of any evidence of actual sexism.

TheCoelacanth 9y ago
> I constantly see others who have the same beliefs getting accused of being racist Probably because of the massive amount of racist rhetoric used in support of that position. It's not an inherently racist position, but when such a large portion of arguments in favor of the position use racist rhetoric it's hard to avoid being lumped in with those arguments.
- ithilglin909 9y ago
  Lumping totally dis-similar arguments together is just intellectually lazy, which is most of my problem with the use of words like "racist, sexist, etc." They have valid applications, but are often used to circumvent rational debate.
  - TheCoelacanth 9y ago
    Most people are intellectually lazy. Better get used to it. If you want your arguments to be consistently distinguished from the racist ones you will have to put in more effort to make them seem more distinct.
    - ithilglin909 9y ago
      You don't even know what my arguments would be!
- fzeroracer 9y ago
  And to add onto your point there's a lot of nuance in terms of what it means to be against illegal immigration. Some people define it very harshly (toss out everyone that's an immigrant), some people define it as providing avenues for hard-working undocumented immigrants to become US citizens even if they are illegal. So when you come out against illegal immigration, your stance can run the gamut of not racist at all to incredibly racist. It just turns out that most of the time the statistics simply don't line up for illegal immigrants committing more crime, stealing jobs and so forth. Which then makes the argument not about fact, but about feeling. Which then tends to be more inclined towards racism.
abiox 9y ago
> I believe if you are in this country ilegally you should be deported. Apparantly, according to many many liberals, that makes me a "racist." sometimes people present reductive versions of an argument and drop relevant contextual information and then complain that others respond unfairly. that said, favoring deportation for unlawful entry - wholly absent of any context or further data - doesn't contain much information to assert 'racist'. however, there are serious 'racial implications' of various immigration policies, such as the 'papers please' arizona law, which says officers can harass people simply by being 'suspicious that the individual is an illegal immigrant'. if a person's status is unknown, the means by which such suspicion is derived would seem to principally lie within racial profiling and similar tactics. among other problems, this profiling creates an unreasonable burden on american citizens that are hispanic (particularly those of mestizo heritage).

TheCoelacanth 9y ago

> I constantly see others who have the same beliefs getting accused of being racist Probably because of the massive amount of racist rhetoric used in support of that position. It's not an inherently racist position, but when such a large portion of arguments in favor of the position use racist rhetoric it's hard to avoid being lumped in with those arguments.

ithilglin909 9y ago
Lumping totally dis-similar arguments together is just intellectually lazy, which is most of my problem with the use of words like "racist, sexist, etc." They have valid applications, but are often used to circumvent rational debate.
- TheCoelacanth 9y ago
  Most people are intellectually lazy. Better get used to it. If you want your arguments to be consistently distinguished from the racist ones you will have to put in more effort to make them seem more distinct.
  - ithilglin909 9y ago
    You don't even know what my arguments would be!
fzeroracer 9y ago
And to add onto your point there's a lot of nuance in terms of what it means to be against illegal immigration. Some people define it very harshly (toss out everyone that's an immigrant), some people define it as providing avenues for hard-working undocumented immigrants to become US citizens even if they are illegal. So when you come out against illegal immigration, your stance can run the gamut of not racist at all to incredibly racist. It just turns out that most of the time the statistics simply don't line up for illegal immigrants committing more crime, stealing jobs and so forth. Which then makes the argument not about fact, but about feeling. Which then tends to be more inclined towards racism.

abiox 9y ago

> I believe if you are in this country ilegally you should be deported. Apparantly, according to many many liberals, that makes me a "racist." sometimes people present reductive versions of an argument and drop relevant contextual information and then complain that others respond unfairly. that said, favoring deportation for unlawful entry - wholly absent of any context or further data - doesn't contain much information to assert 'racist'. however, there are serious 'racial implications' of various immigration policies, such as the 'papers please' arizona law, which says officers can harass people simply by being 'suspicious that the individual is an illegal immigrant'. if a person's status is unknown, the means by which such suspicion is derived would seem to principally lie within racial profiling and similar tactics. among other problems, this profiling creates an unreasonable burden on american citizens that are hispanic (particularly those of mestizo heritage).