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Why though? Why would an alien species just do atmosphere drive-bys? Why wouldn’t they pop down and say hello? Why on earth would NASA, SETI, SpaceX, etc cove

by corobo 9y ago

Why though? Why would an alien species just do atmosphere drive-bys? Why wouldn’t they pop down and say hello? Why on earth would NASA, SETI, SpaceX, etc cover up the biggest scoop (biggest FUNDING scoop) of Earth’s history? Why wouldn’t any of the other LEO piercing countries in the world grass it up? Thousands of people working in each of the space-faring countries, all keeping quiet about it. Why would the US, Russia, China, probably even North Korea agree on this one thing? Alright guys we are all agreed on not telling the plebs about the aliens? Ok cool, back to the war then lads. If you can answer why, I’m down to clown on your theory.

briffle 9y ago
When we send scientists to document and study the penguins in Antarctica and their march to lay and sit on eggs, do we have the scientists go walk down to where they are, measure them, interact with them, etc? Or do we spot them from a distance, as discretely as possible, so that we don't disturb the subjects, and don't bias the study of their interactions?
- shedaemon 9y ago
  Remember "Occam's Razor?" It is so incredibly difficult to travel through interstellar space that "aliens" is not the simplest explanation. Any civilization so advanced that it could bridge such distances in space to study earth would definitely have the technology to be undetectable. They'd have molecular sized drones collecting info. They wouldn't be detectable on radar. And it certainly wouldn't be the aliens themselves travelling, collecting data, it would be thousands of tiny robots. A more logical explanation is that this phenomenon is terrestrial in origin. The object from the pilot's video in 2012 was tracked and seen for several weeks by a Navy ship. Where are those records? Maybe this whole thing was an experiment to see how the military responds to an advanced piece of equipment. The fact that the object appeared on radar at the pilot's rendezvous point 60 miles away is very suspicious.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Exactly. Sci-fi writers have contemplated this. Advanced civilizations might consider cultural contamination of a relatively-primitive civilization so bad that they'll strive to avoid it (e.g. Star Trek's Prime Directive).
brango 9y ago
But they're not keeping quiet. Literally hundreds of reports have been made, ex-military willing to testify before US Congress (Disclosure Project), cryptic comments from ex-astronauts that hopefully in future "the truth will come out" (Armstrong or Aldrin IIRC). Governments have investigated, but perhaps if an advanced civilisation doesn't want to make contact and just wants to observe us then it's difficult to get conclusive proof? And then what? Tell your populace "Hi everyone, we can't keep our skies safe, but don't worry, it's probably OK". There's some odd stuff in some NASA footage you can see for yourself. But now with CGI you probably won't accept any videos you can see on youtube as being real. But this still isn't enough for you because until you actually see one with your own eyes you aren't willing to accept it. That is excellent scepticism. However, we accept a lot of scientific reports without actually running the experiments ourselves... There seems to be a mismatch there. Healthy scepticism is healthy, but barring a "smoking gun" that is unavoidable (i.e. an "Independence Day"/"District 9" scenario) you probably will never believe it. I suggest that's due to conditioning and how the US Gov directed Hollywood to ridicule this sort of thing in the past. If we relax things back to "normal" and view the reports (the volume, quality of sources, corroborating evidence like multiple witnesses, radar confirmation, WW1 Foo fighter reports, etc) then the balance of probabilities seems to lie with "yes, they're here and they've been here a long time", at least for me. I mean the Mahabarata alone does appear to contain an account of nuclear fallout and diagrams of UFOs, and that was written thousands of years ago.

by corobo 9y ago

briffle 9y ago

When we send scientists to document and study the penguins in Antarctica and their march to lay and sit on eggs, do we have the scientists go walk down to where they are, measure them, interact with them, etc? Or do we spot them from a distance, as discretely as possible, so that we don't disturb the subjects, and don't bias the study of their interactions?

shedaemon 9y ago
Remember "Occam's Razor?" It is so incredibly difficult to travel through interstellar space that "aliens" is not the simplest explanation. Any civilization so advanced that it could bridge such distances in space to study earth would definitely have the technology to be undetectable. They'd have molecular sized drones collecting info. They wouldn't be detectable on radar. And it certainly wouldn't be the aliens themselves travelling, collecting data, it would be thousands of tiny robots. A more logical explanation is that this phenomenon is terrestrial in origin. The object from the pilot's video in 2012 was tracked and seen for several weeks by a Navy ship. Where are those records? Maybe this whole thing was an experiment to see how the military responds to an advanced piece of equipment. The fact that the object appeared on radar at the pilot's rendezvous point 60 miles away is very suspicious.
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
Exactly. Sci-fi writers have contemplated this. Advanced civilizations might consider cultural contamination of a relatively-primitive civilization so bad that they'll strive to avoid it (e.g. Star Trek's Prime Directive).

brango 9y ago

But they're not keeping quiet. Literally hundreds of reports have been made, ex-military willing to testify before US Congress (Disclosure Project), cryptic comments from ex-astronauts that hopefully in future "the truth will come out" (Armstrong or Aldrin IIRC). Governments have investigated, but perhaps if an advanced civilisation doesn't want to make contact and just wants to observe us then it's difficult to get conclusive proof? And then what? Tell your populace "Hi everyone, we can't keep our skies safe, but don't worry, it's probably OK". There's some odd stuff in some NASA footage you can see for yourself. But now with CGI you probably won't accept any videos you can see on youtube as being real. But this still isn't enough for you because until you actually see one with your own eyes you aren't willing to accept it. That is excellent scepticism. However, we accept a lot of scientific reports without actually running the experiments ourselves... There seems to be a mismatch there. Healthy scepticism is healthy, but barring a "smoking gun" that is unavoidable (i.e. an "Independence Day"/"District 9" scenario) you probably will never believe it. I suggest that's due to conditioning and how the US Gov directed Hollywood to ridicule this sort of thing in the past. If we relax things back to "normal" and view the reports (the volume, quality of sources, corroborating evidence like multiple witnesses, radar confirmation, WW1 Foo fighter reports, etc) then the balance of probabilities seems to lie with "yes, they're here and they've been here a long time", at least for me. I mean the Mahabarata alone does appear to contain an account of nuclear fallout and diagrams of UFOs, and that was written thousands of years ago.