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Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of p

by ohyes 9y ago

Ok. If it’s an extraterrestrial, how did it get here? There’s no evidence that FTL is possible and even if it were it would probably require huge amounts of power. We’d notice it being used. We may as well be saying that these are angels from heaven, I guess is my point. There are tons of reports of ‘divine’ stuff happening as well, but jumping to God existing being a likelihood is not something an objective observer would do. What I really want to know is what the alien technology is that makes all of these videos grainy and impossible to make out details in, and how did Bigfoot acquire it?

0xFFC 9y ago
In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?” How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middle East?” If the Abrahamic religions (not even to mention all the religions that don't rest on a singular preeminent emissary, which don't have this problem at all) can survive and thrive in the face of the latter question, the former isn't much of a challenge.
  - 0xFFC 9y ago
    >How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middle East?” Nice question. I remember when I was 12,13 and lived with my family (in religious country) I have thought about the exact same question. I think you are totally right.
  - kyriakos 9y ago
    You'll be surprised how quickly religions will adapt to include aliens. Or new ones will appear out of nowhere to replace the old ones.
- gaussianproc87 9y ago
  I've found the issue interesting from another perspective: given I found the eye-witness evidence for Christianity compelling, can I test myself to come to the right conclusion in a similarly contentious but unrelated field? The shear amount of eye witness testimony for UFO sightings and encounters is overwhelming, particularly from people who have impeccable credentials and have everything to lose (meeting strongly the criterion of embarrassment, similar to the apostles). Both make big claims that rest on eye-witness (or claimed eye-witness) testimony. One isn't accessible to the scientific method whereas the other is. If ridicule has been misplaced on the UFO issue, I'm inclined the think we should give pause for thought about the other issues that are commonly ridiculed by society. Regarding aliens rendering religion nonsense: on Christianity, no-one ever said that all creatures were made in the image of God or if they were that God should decide to show his grace towards them. It's clearly compatible with Christianity - can't speak for Islam. Interesting that you use the word ridicule because that's a key theme that runs through both the UFO field and popular response to any religious claim. As Feynmans says: "Another of the qualities of science is that it teaches the value of rational thought as well as the importance of freedom of thought ; the positive result that come from doubting that the lessons are all true." We should doubt, question and test but not ridicule.
- zamalek 9y ago
  > Why your God only sent his prophet to earth? The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth (there are explanations as to why, such as Earth being the only sinful planet), Jesus has existed in one way or another on every planet with sapient life (this is viewed as heretical by the church) or that the same Jesus visits multiple planets. Some of these religions do not believe that the messiah (there have always been multiple prophets in these religions) has yet arrived. I'm sure that Scientology would feel vindicated, unless ET confirmed that Xenu does not exist.
  - reaperducer 9y ago
    > The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth Citation needed. The Roman Catholic Church (certainly a "main school of thought") is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets, if there is life on those planets. The Catholic Church's astronomers, philosophers, and theologians have been on the record for more than half a century as saying that intelligent life on other planets is not heretical. But the sort of people who learn everything they know about religion from Family Guy continue to perpetuate long-dead stereotypes on the internet. Also, the fact that you use the phrase "the church" to describe all of Christianity shows your information level about religion is pretty low.
    - LyndsySimon 9y ago
      The RCC has also stated that Christ might not be necessary for other species, as the redemption of mankind (Christ's purpose) was only made necessary by the Fall.
    - zamalek 9y ago
      > is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets I literally said that in my comment. > the fact that you use the phrase "the church" to describe all of Christianity shows your information level about religion is pretty low I was referring to the Roman Catholic Church.
- ohyes 9y ago
  There are plenty of simple questions that already blow apart the majority of religions if someone is unbiased / not indoctrinated. It would likely just be used as further proof of righteousness and a source of xenophobia by those in control of said religions. "God sent his prophet because we're the chosen species, the only one created in His image. Only He can protect you from the alien threat," garbage like that. It's easy to spin this type of thing when you've thrown all rationality out the window.
- LyndsySimon 9y ago
  Here's another interesting idea, then: what if aliens arrive tomorrow, and the first thing out of their mouths is: "Greetings! We have received your radio transmissions and have come to worship the one true God, Jesus Christ, with you."
Balgair 9y ago
>There’s no evidence that FTL is possible... True, but remember that ~75% of the universe is 'dark energy' that is making the universe fly apart, eventually, faster than light speed. So, we hypothesize that eventually, everything will be faster than light. What I am saying is that we don't know enough physics at the moment to say definitely that FTL is impossible. We really don't know any physics when talking about the majority of mass-energy of what we know currently, really. Extra-solar visitors may have figured a bit more of this out and realized that FTL is somthing you just go around, who knows.

by ohyes 9y ago

0xFFC 9y ago

In a totally unrelated comment, I want to say, one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?”

dragonwriter 9y ago
> one reason why I find the UFO thing interested is in hypothetical situation if we can have proofs of existence of aliens, all those nonsense, ridiculous religions (like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc) would be horseshit to common people. With a simple question of : “Why your God only sent his prophet to earth?” How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middle East?” If the Abrahamic religions (not even to mention all the religions that don't rest on a singular preeminent emissary, which don't have this problem at all) can survive and thrive in the face of the latter question, the former isn't much of a challenge.
- 0xFFC 9y ago
  >How is that question substantively any different than “Why your God only sent his prophet to the Middle East?” Nice question. I remember when I was 12,13 and lived with my family (in religious country) I have thought about the exact same question. I think you are totally right.
- kyriakos 9y ago
  You'll be surprised how quickly religions will adapt to include aliens. Or new ones will appear out of nowhere to replace the old ones.
gaussianproc87 9y ago
I've found the issue interesting from another perspective: given I found the eye-witness evidence for Christianity compelling, can I test myself to come to the right conclusion in a similarly contentious but unrelated field? The shear amount of eye witness testimony for UFO sightings and encounters is overwhelming, particularly from people who have impeccable credentials and have everything to lose (meeting strongly the criterion of embarrassment, similar to the apostles). Both make big claims that rest on eye-witness (or claimed eye-witness) testimony. One isn't accessible to the scientific method whereas the other is. If ridicule has been misplaced on the UFO issue, I'm inclined the think we should give pause for thought about the other issues that are commonly ridiculed by society. Regarding aliens rendering religion nonsense: on Christianity, no-one ever said that all creatures were made in the image of God or if they were that God should decide to show his grace towards them. It's clearly compatible with Christianity - can't speak for Islam. Interesting that you use the word ridicule because that's a key theme that runs through both the UFO field and popular response to any religious claim. As Feynmans says: "Another of the qualities of science is that it teaches the value of rational thought as well as the importance of freedom of thought ; the positive result that come from doubting that the lessons are all true." We should doubt, question and test but not ridicule.
zamalek 9y ago
> Why your God only sent his prophet to earth? The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth (there are explanations as to why, such as Earth being the only sinful planet), Jesus has existed in one way or another on every planet with sapient life (this is viewed as heretical by the church) or that the same Jesus visits multiple planets. Some of these religions do not believe that the messiah (there have always been multiple prophets in these religions) has yet arrived. I'm sure that Scientology would feel vindicated, unless ET confirmed that Xenu does not exist.
- reaperducer 9y ago
  > The main schools of thought are that Jesus is unique to Earth Citation needed. The Roman Catholic Church (certainly a "main school of thought") is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets, if there is life on those planets. The Catholic Church's astronomers, philosophers, and theologians have been on the record for more than half a century as saying that intelligent life on other planets is not heretical. But the sort of people who learn everything they know about religion from Family Guy continue to perpetuate long-dead stereotypes on the internet. Also, the fact that you use the phrase "the church" to describe all of Christianity shows your information level about religion is pretty low.
  - LyndsySimon 9y ago
    The RCC has also stated that Christ might not be necessary for other species, as the redemption of mankind (Christ's purpose) was only made necessary by the Fall.
  - zamalek 9y ago
    > is on record as saying it's certainly possible that Jesus visited other planets I literally said that in my comment. > the fact that you use the phrase "the church" to describe all of Christianity shows your information level about religion is pretty low I was referring to the Roman Catholic Church.
ohyes 9y ago
There are plenty of simple questions that already blow apart the majority of religions if someone is unbiased / not indoctrinated. It would likely just be used as further proof of righteousness and a source of xenophobia by those in control of said religions. "God sent his prophet because we're the chosen species, the only one created in His image. Only He can protect you from the alien threat," garbage like that. It's easy to spin this type of thing when you've thrown all rationality out the window.
LyndsySimon 9y ago
Here's another interesting idea, then: what if aliens arrive tomorrow, and the first thing out of their mouths is: "Greetings! We have received your radio transmissions and have come to worship the one true God, Jesus Christ, with you."

Balgair 9y ago

>There’s no evidence that FTL is possible... True, but remember that ~75% of the universe is 'dark energy' that is making the universe fly apart, eventually, faster than light speed. So, we hypothesize that eventually, everything will be faster than light. What I am saying is that we don't know enough physics at the moment to say definitely that FTL is impossible. We really don't know any physics when talking about the majority of mass-energy of what we know currently, really. Extra-solar visitors may have figured a bit more of this out and realized that FTL is somthing you just go around, who knows.